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A hybrid of the 3-4 or 4-3, completely scrap the 3-4 and use the personnel you have in their most productive way, Tauscher and Clifton should start now and sit Lang and Barbre, Spitz should go back to guard since he’s the most experienced…..these are all suggestions and thoughts regarding the Green Bay Packers and the “fixes” that might cure this team’s ills. Are those short term fixes? In a “win now” league you can certainly make a case for each argument but what does that do to the development of your younger players? If the 3-4 takes about 6 to 8 games to fully begin to understand, does that stifle your defenses comprehension of what it is they’re supposed to be learning? Is Dom Capers capable of scrapping his mastery of the 3-4 and thus revamping into a 4-3 or hybrid thereof?
If you’re serious about winning now, then you answer yes to the hybrid defense and yes to the Clifton and Tauscher question. I’ve always said that you, as a head coach, must use your players to the best of their ability and put them in a position to be the most successful. The rest is execution and that’s up to the players themselves.
For losses to prompt 2 prominent defensive players to speak up and question what it is they’re doing is eyebrow raising to say the least. To have guys like Charles Woodson and Cullen Jenkens, who hardly says anything negative, is alarming. You take their words with the preverbal grain of salt because the comments both came after emotional losses but you listen none the less.
A defense that’s ranked 4th overall is one thing but if you take away the cupcakes, Detroit and Cleveland, they rank 21st. You have to recognize that there are some problems here. If you don’t, then you’re turning a blind eye to the facts and thus putting your ego or stubbornness in the way of success. An offense that’s producing yardage but not key drives and more importantly “W’s”, plus is on pace to blow away the franchise record for sacks given up (61), you have to realize that your best people must be on the field period.
By the way, thanks to Tom Silverstein’s article in the Journal Sentinel today for those statistics.
If you’re an incoming coach with a 2 or 3 year plan, you have that leeway but if you’re Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson, you don’t have 2 years. You might not have until 2010. You have to ask yourself one simple question; “Do we have the players to do what it is we’re asking them to do?” If the answer’s yes, then you stick with your plan but if you blink for even a second, in a moment of wonderment, then you as a head coach owe it to yourself, your players and most importantly the paying fans to stop sticking round pegs in square holes and maximize your teams ability. The great coaches adapt, the stubborn coaches ultimately look for work.
I’m not saying that the best thing to do is scrap everything and go backwards but what I am saying is that clearly everyone’s not on the same page in philosophical beliefs or understanding and as a coaching staff those things need to be satisfied NOW.

Sunday, Nov 8 at 8:34 PM rmaflat wrote ...
Pro sports is about winning and money.Not every team gets both.If the packers dump TT and MM at the end of this season,it will cost them millions.I do not see that happening.
31808871 Flag for moderationSunday, Nov 8 at 5:04 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Bill:I say now is the time for a big shakeup.Fire Mile and Ted.Then just maybe we will have a winning team,if not I am afraid our season is done for.
31800966 Flag for moderationThursday, Nov 5 at 9:52 AM John in Menomonie wrote ...
Keep the 3-4. When the team executes it properly the Packers can go toe to toe with everyone. Instead, how about putting Aaron Kampman, one of the league's premiere defensive players, in a position to make plays? I would also point out that McCarthy has FAILED to recognize or acknowledge that the best two offensive linemen they have were sitting on the bench in the loss to Minnesota. Why, when Rodgers is getting killed he chose to continue to sit Tauscher and Clifton is beyond me.
31630149 Flag for moderationThursday, Nov 5 at 6:51 AM Bob in Zion wrote ...
Bill, I have to say, stick with the 3-4. When the team wins the players tell you that's how the new system is supposed to work and how good it is. The team loses it's suddenly the system, and the coaches, but never the players. Besides, we saw how good this basic group of players is in the 4-3. They cost the team half a dozen games last year.
31620914 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 2:20 PM packer fans wrote ...
I find it interesting how people are all upset over the packers. no one says you have to be a packer fan. U R not entitled to being a packer fan or to a winning season. If you do not like a company or product do you keep buying it if it does not meet your expectations? No you find a different product or company. there are 31 other teams in the NFL to cheer for if you do not like how the packers are being run. take your money and move elsewhere is the biggest statement packers fans can make.
31589401 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 2:14 PM stay the course wrote ...
the packers need to say the course instead of waffling back and forth with regard to the 34 defense. the packers were not going to WIN NOW because it takes a whole year to learn the intricacies of an defense and be completely comfortable. It is the unreasonable expectations of fans which is bring all the pressure. I say 8 & 8 is a reasonable expectation. next year 11 to 12 win season. remember every time you change defenses your veterans become rookies again.
31589014 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 1:48 PM pirate tim wrote ...
I am tried of bad play calling tried of players not doing their job, tried of management being to proud to fix the problem. What does this mean the people in charge are not NOT doing what they should be doing. AK how many sacks this year? CW and AK should have at least 10 to 11 sacks between them. It's time to get your head out of your a** and do you job> Management is the problem. Fix it>
31587421 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 11:50 AM Marquette_g wrote ...
Why does Bill Michaels have yet another forum for his blowhard thoughts and opinions?
31579014 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 9:53 AM SSterzinger wrote ...
Just look what the Vikes and the Packers have done in the draft and FA and it will tell you why the Vikes have more talent. That alone should get TT fired.
31570764 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 8:19 AM Ted Thompson - Hardees MGR. wrote ...
Brett Favre - last 2.5 seasons. 29-9. Aaron Rogers 10-13. Just win baby. Bill Michaels = Mike Sherman = Mike McCarthey (blah, blah, blah, blah, blah).
31564471 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 7:58 AM Ken K wrote ...
Youngest team in the league oldest kickoff returner in the league.TT here's your next move how about bringing back Kramer and Thurston and start running the G.B. sweep again. Did anyone time Green in the 100 yard dash
31563374 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 7:54 AM Steve wrote ...
Bill, You are Packer reporter- are you qualified to coach? The Packers have 3 losses against 2 outstanding teams and were in a position to win both games. Let the season shake out before running a stake through the leadership. This team has way more upside for the next 5 years than any other team in the NFL. Take your Favre loving arse to the Twin Cities and see if he is around next year. That Viking team is a really going to let down a lot of people with their Favre "Messiah" mentality.
31563191 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 12:49 AM got it all figured out wrote ...
There is nothing to chill about. One of the hardest things to do is realize your about to hit rock bottom before you do. Once we hit there, its too late, theres not easy road back. The time is now, mm and dc suck. If we had a credible coaching staff we would be a lot better
31555864 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:40 PM Mike wrote ...
JOhn from Stallis...No, the guy with the beer gut in the bar that you were babbling about was MM. Remember...TT said one of the reasons he hired him was he thought he would be a good guy to have a beer with. The two of them must be having a few too many these days. Hey, der, ya, we'll get it all cleaned up before da train leaves da station for Tampa. Hey. Ya.
31553731 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 10:57 PM ryan from muskego wrote ...
everyone is needs to stop freaking out. the situation will take care of itself. tt will fire mm to keep his job if things keep progressing the way they are. tauscher and clifton will play when fully healthy-they may not be ready yet. this was an emotional loss, but keep in mind how fast things can change in the NFL. take the giants two years ago - they couldnt do anything right. then they won the superbowl. any given sunday fellas. chill out.
31552029 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:43 PM Tim wrote ...
TT has too much of an ego to change anything. It's his way no matter what, even if you are losing. He will never admit to something not working that he is involved with. Playing the Vikings this team was pathetic. You would have thought by the second game some changes would have been made. Nope. That would be admitting that you made a mistake somewhere and that will never happen.
31541431 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:41 PM brush from c'ville wrote ...
Let's see, in the past few years, Vikings did the following: 1. Pick up a HOF qb 2. Signed a pro bowl o lineman. 3. Trade for an all pro defensive end 4. Drafted playmakers like Peterson and Harvin. TT did the following
31541329 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:41 PM A Rod wrote ...
Can I get some help, PLEASE? MM, you have me so gunshy no to throw a pick like my predecessor that I'm getting my arse kicked every week! Granted my line is equivalent to a DIII school, but seriously, can I please just throw it out of bounds once in awhile? We have some great talent, let us use it!! MM and TT, you're coaching and managing your way right out of this league. Make some changes or I may turn on you. Signed- ARod (#1 rated passer in the league)
31541324 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:14 PM Jay wrote ...
The real problem with the team is clearly it's Offensive Tackles. When they block decently, the offense is unstoppable, when they don't....... The problem with saying that the defense would rank 21st if you took away the cupcakes simply doesn't wash. If you take away the cupcakes from the packers schedule, you've got to take away the cupcakes from everybody. Where does the defense rank then? Pretty high I'm sure. just get Clifton and Tauscher back in there and the playoffs will follow.
31540024 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:04 PM THE BUBBLE wrote ...
SOMETIMES when your so involved and deep in something, its hard to see whats really happening around you, and you need to step out of the bubble and reallying anyalze whats working and whats not. MM and TT do not have that ability and therefore will never win consistently and probably not at all. Spread the word, its officially time to run TT and MM of town. And if mark murphy doesnt have the stones to do it, run him out of here too.
31539526 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:00 PM GM's wrote ...
Most GM's and coaches, don't get 4 years of quality support from ownership and all the freedoms to draft and bring in whomever they want. TT/MM have had more than ample time, FAVRE situation or not, we should be contending for the superbowl, like all football minds thought we would before the season. But we are no where near, and that should be enough to show, either MM or TT or both need to be fired. THe longer we wait, the worse off we are. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
31539339 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:56 PM and ted wrote ...
and its ok to blame ted. i was a strong TT backer and stood in the fire for him and truly believed in his strategy. But his strategy can build a roster, but not get you over the top. You use FA to get you over the top, some teams build the opposite way. But he used the draft, and did not supplement with FA, and there is no reason for that. He is the one failing and consequently MM and DC are too. And ultimately our whole orginization.
31539149 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:53 PM down with dom wrote ...
Jenkins comments applies directly to capers. He came here and said, this is what i am going to do based off the success I had in the past. Which is fine, if it works, if not, adapt and over come, (semper fi,) We are failing stubbornly. Adapt, call some more man, use some more nickle and most importatnly make adjustments based off individuals strengths, not just off what works. He needs to do a better job, period. He is coaching as if he is trying to get mccarthy fired.
31538959 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:50 PM skill wrote ...
We have the skill at the DB spot. Capers failure to adjust and MM failure to point it out, will most likely cost us the year and maybe our franchise QB. If you think the QB has nothing to do with our D performance, your wrong. We are down before we start. Jenkins comments were referring to the secondary, mainly, I think, and echoed woodson's. He questioned capers calls, and hes right, capers is the problem. hes a great teacher but his play calling with the players he has is awful.
31538826 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:46 PM HANDCUFFED wrote ...
When hearing Jenkins say what he said, the article in jsonline guessed that he was referring to the line. For weeks before I had the same feeling when woodson pointed it out. I think they are referring to the DB's. A group that is excellent in man coverage. I understand Capers uses zone blitzes. But clearly it is failing. There are plays in his book that use man, we need to expand that. Our DB's are too good to be playing zone. A zone is made to confuse when skill is absent
31538701 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:44 PM Capers wrote ...
Capers needs more of this blame, but ultimately the it falls on the head coach and GM. When playing the queens, one of two things should happen, either get to the QB, or receivers should not be wide open. It is really not more complicated than that. Favre hasnt been threading needles, he made a couple passes in 2 games in tight spots, his subpar receivers are wide open against our secondary who is leaps and bounds better. Our third DB is better than their no 1 WR.
31538594 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:41 PM MORE IMPORTANTLY wrote ...
We are not focused. Its clear on the field, with the same mistakes, and bone head penalties that ultimately cost you the game. You really have to question whether or not we are doing everything we need to do to win, or MM, and more so Capers, are saying, we are going to do it this way, cause it worked for me in various places in the past. Reputation and history don't win games. It seems like Capers is coaching to get MM fired. Cause his game planning is not what it needs to be.
31538474 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:39 PM STATS STATS STATS wrote ...
Let Bill's comment about taking away 2 cupcakes go. That doesn't change the fact that the D played good against bum teams and bad against a quality offensive opponent. That is the fact. What to do about it is what we need to be talking about. MM needs to go, now, sooner the better. Hes good at a lot of things, but a team takes on the ways of their coach. And we looked like what MM says and how he demonstrates his coaching ability on the field. We are sloppy, undisciplined, NOT FOCUSED
31538359 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 4:22 PM Bill Michaels wrote ...
Thanks Dave!
31534416 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 4:22 PM jbmilw wrote ...
packers problems circ 2009: favre is better than rodgers, holmgren is better than mccarthy, wolf is better than thompson: Ted and Mike, it's time for the Packers to head in a new direction.
31534396 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 4:20 PM John from Stallis... wrote ...
Anonymous, you're pathetic. Where was your blog asking those questions BEFORE the NFC Championship game if you've got such great insight? That's what I thought, you didn't have one. You were slapping your beer gut up on the bar with your buddies talking about how da Packer der ay was goin all da way. Who do you write for? What paper or website or was it just on the bathroom wall at LaCage?
31534316 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 4:06 PM Dave@ Las Vegas wrote ...
Bill, Loved your show when we lived in Waukesha.
31533609 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 4:01 PM PJN wrote ...
Right on the head. The most obvious problem to come out of the Viking games,NO COACHING, just excuses.How long are we going to tolerate: "we will have to look at that", We have some things to improve on" from MM. Does TT draft young so he can use "we are a Young Team" as an excuse? The only person who will get older on this team is Rodgers, he has aged 2 years this season already. Sadly, the Packers Orginization is becoming a Joke. To bad with so much talent!
31533331 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 3:55 PM Dave @ Las Vegas wrote ...
Why have'nt we drafted any really good offensive linemen? Why do we need 5-6 rushers just to get near Favre and Minn. rushes 4 and Rodgers has to run for his life all day? MM and TT dont have a clue as to what it takes to WIN in the NFL, not jus compete, but WIN!!!! Boy if they are back next year I may just cancel my NFL Package and watch the loosers from California!
31532876 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 3:45 PM Dave @ Las Vegas wrote ...
I said this last year and I have said this this year, and I will say it again:"Until TT and MM are gone and we get some REAL Professional People to run the Packers, the Packers will continue to be a .500 team or less @ best." So far they are proving me right!!!! Keep the CAP Money as it is always better to have the money instead of better players!!!!
31532296 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 3:16 PM Bruce C Mantei wrote ...
Silverstein needs to be a LOT MORE analytical!! You need to do more research before GUSHING about his figures. Every NFL team has "cupcakes" on their schedules as the other bloggers have suggested. His article about the Vikings talent versus the PACK is another example. last year the PACK won six games and the VIKES 10. This year they added Favre. Gee, I wonder which team is more talented.
31530641 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 2:57 PM Frank V. wrote ...
Maybe MM should ask himself why am I even a head coach I can't even keep my players from making terrible penalties that cost us the game? Him and his boyfriend TT need to go I am so sick of there crap.
31529569 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 2:09 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Hey, John from Stallis...In the "real world" two years ago, someone in the "journalism world" should have been asking a few questions about that game. For starters, "Why was the opposing team better prepared to play in the cold (the vaunted Frozen Tundra) than the Green Bay Packers?" "Why did the play calling suck?" "Why couldn't our defense stop Manning and the Giant offense?" Instead journailsts and IDIOTS like you were putting allthe blame on Favre. That game showed a lot of the team's flaws
31526714 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 12:29 PM John from Stallis wrote ...
Hey Anonymous, You're an IDIOT! 2 years ago where were you? Probably enjoying the ride to the NFC Championship Game. God, the mindless drivel that you second guessers spew is amazing. By your methods, Bill Belichek would have NEVER gotten a second job. What losers. Get a clue how the real world works.
31520664 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 12:21 PM Ted wrote ...
I agree with you, Bill, but I also wonder if its feasible to switch horses seven games into the season. Would the Packers put themselves further back by reverting to the 4-3, or implementing a hybrid of the two?
31520151 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:58 AM Anonymous wrote ...
NOW the Milwaukee Journal asks questions of the worst coach in the NFL? Too little. Too late. Maybe if some of you so called "sportswriters" had done your jobs two years ago and asked some really hard questions of this Packer mismanagement regime instead of sucking up to them and kicking Favre around, this franchise wouldn't be the joke it is rapidly becoming. Pathetic.
31518619 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:31 AM Classy Franchise wrote ...
I think the thing we can say about the past 15 years is that the Green Bay Packers organization has been one of the classier franchises in the NFL. One of the most disconcerting things recently is that this franchise looks on the verge of chaos. Recall the embarrasement of the Forrest Gregg era. Wins and losses is one thing, but we as Wisconsonites and Packer fans must hold the organization accountable when we see them beginning to swirl into some kind of abyss.
31516999 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:26 AM Tmanpack wrote ...
Finally some common sense wrote here! I just hope that team president Murphy can see that and not be a puppet of Thompson. Or is he over is head?
31516739 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:08 AM Mike Schilter - End wrote ...
I would think that most Packer fans would like to see where the Packers would rank if you did this, instead of singling out two games only on the Packers schedule.
31515571 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:07 AM Game Changer wrote ...
I was a TT supporter until the last game. I am tired and frustrated with MM and TT's inability to adapt and recruit free agents. I am ready for a change at coach and GM. These two loses to the Vikings were painful to watch because we kept doing the same stupid things wrong...over and over.
31515549 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:07 AM Mike Schilter - Continued wrote ...
The Denver Broncos, who have the first ranked defense, have already played Cleveland and Oakland. While Pittsburg and Baltimore, two teams that are considered to have top tier defenses, get to play Cleveland twice a year along with Detroit this year. Before you say the Packers would have a below average defense if you take out the “cupcake” games, first, take out every teams “cupcake” games and than see where the Packers would be.
31515526 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 11:07 AM Mike Schilter wrote ...
Bill, you make valid points. The offensive line problems need to be address first and foremost, before Aaron Rodgers doesn’t get up from one of the eight sacks a game he takes. But you can not just say that our defense would be the 21st in the league if you take out the “cupcake” games of Detroit and Cleveland. To make a fair ranking of the defenses you would have to eliminate the “cupcake” games from every other team’s defensive stats.
31515461 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 10:57 AM We're Screwed wrote ...
The problem as I see it is too many Packer fans are thinking way too much of this team. They have not beat a good team all year. I think the only reason they won the Bears game was due to Chicago blowing it more than the Pack did. Realistically I see them losing 5 of their next 9 games giving them an 8-8 season.
31514866 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 10:45 AM JMFAppleton wrote ...
If you take away the cupcakes then you have to take away every teams 2 easiest games to be fair. Did you do this when determining the Defense is #21? Maybe a better comparison for the league after 7 games is to take out the best and the worst defensive performance. Where do we rank then?
31514161 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 10:36 AM Jim Henderson wrote ...
Well put Bill. My take on these people is that they are too stubborn and will stay with what they have installed whether it works or not. Clearly, the zone blocking system for running has not worked and probably will never work given the quality of the offensive line players.
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