Mr. Obama and the House leadership may be too deep into health care to make a shift now and get in line with the American people's concerns. But they should start paying attention to what the people are saying. What happened Tuesday isn't a death knell, but it is a fire alarm: Something's wrong, fix it, change course. Show humility. Bow to the public. "Public opinion is everything," Lincoln is said to have said. It is. It can be changed and it can be shaped, but it always has to be listened to. This White House has gotten bad at listening. It paid the price for that on Tuesday.
As a Republican said, in answer to the question, What message does this passage of the House Bill send? - the Message is, Democrats didn't get the Message from the Town Halls and the Tea Parties, recent polls, etc. - the Dems are committing political suicide by voting for the Porkulus Bill and now this Health Care Monstrosity
Sunday, Nov 8 at 8:18 PM The Intolrable Act wrote ...
Also, if this monstrosity passes into law, we need to immediately challenge its Constitutionality, before Obama appoints more radical Supreme Court judges
Saturday, Nov 7 at 10:33 PM The Intolerable Act wrote ...
Now that the House DEMS have passed the P-Lousy Bill on Death Care, I think we need to take to the streets in greater numbers - Feingold and Kohl are lost causes, I know, but we need to send a national message that this bill is INTOLERABLE - it won't take effect until 2013 - we can vote the bozos out who voted for this in 2010 and 2012 and repeal it
The GDP bump Liberal pins his hopes on was largely a product of conditions created by the stimulus. So it worked, right? No, not unless it truly jump-started something more lasting, and it took the market about one day to realize that's unlikely to be the case. And that's before even considering the inflationary aftereffects of the spending binge. So if unemployment lags by 6 months expect a one-day blip in the employment figures too. Better hope it hits on election day.
Saturday, Nov 7 at 7:15 AM TJ to ALL LIBS wrote ...
If you and yours don't like what the founders of this country started and we the people that want to live by what the US Constitution stands for, MOVE! Go to France,Canada,Mexico,Etc.
They already have what you want, please take you and ALL yours and just leave! We will be fine, we can take care of ourselves. We will take care of you and protect you there, just leave please leave!
I don't think Obama is purposefully destroying America. He believes this crap. His famous words were "I don't want the people who created the mess doing too much talking". He is not listening. Never was. They don’t see they are the problem. While foolishly blaming phantom conservative polices they continue to ignore the real liberal banking polices that got us into the financial mess in 2008. They believe in big government solutions while ignoring their failures.
This recession would be long over and job growth would have resumed if the stimulus was a conservative stimulus. I don't get where people like "liberal" claim "conservative policy" of Bush killed the economy? What the hell conservative policy did Bush initiate after democrats took over congress in Nov 2006 election? If you know anything at all about economics you would understand that it is Obama/Pelosi/Reid policies that are undermining the private sector.
As informative as are the musings of Anon and the sarcasm of TTT, did any of you actually READ the Noonan link? It's thesis -- voters are tuned to the economy and therefore "punished" 2 Dem govs -- came out the same day BEA released Q2 GDP with a 3.5% increase (a huge shift from Bush's -5.4 and -6.4 as conservative policy put capitalism in a coma in Q3-Q4 08). If unemployment lags by 6 months, the news of dropping unemployment rates hits in early April 2010. Stimulus succeeds, politically.
This claim of an obligation to "denounce" everything one doesn't agree with is stupid, even for "Anonymous". Shall we list every asinine thing said by anyone on the left and accuse this moron of "avoiding the issue" until he explicitly "distances himself" each and every one?
And btw, how soon you forget the abject walking excrement that showed up in droves (with absolutely vile signs) at your average anti-Bush rally for 8 yrs.
I'm not denoucing any stupid sign because A) There's a pretty good chance it's some dork liberal poser trying to get some brain dead liberal media type to take their pic (in another tired attempt to make the event look extremist) or B) it may actually be some random lunatic, and lunatics act like lunatics… that doesn’t discredit the overwhelming majority of citizens voicing their legitimate greivances to this radical left government.
Friday, Nov 6 at 6:11 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Anonymous is right. You are obligated to specifically denounce everything you don't agree with 100% or you're a hypocrite and that's the worst thing anyone can be. Anonymous is wise and insightful, brilliant and witty. I agree with everything he says. When I see those magic words "Anonymous wrote ...", I know I'm getting nothing but the straight poop.
Friday, Nov 6 at 4:00 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Everyone who agrees with Limbaugh, Beck, and Sykes is an extremist nut. They're a bunch of crazies. I know this because Keith Olberman and an anonymous blogger on the WTMJ web site told me so.
Anonymous has special insight that goes beyond what the rest of us see with our mere eyes. He can see into the thoughts of all those who AREN'T carrying signs. Either that or he's just another lib projecting/making stuff up. Take YOUR pick.
Anon, what you just posted is bull! You sound closed minded and completely indoctrinated by the Left. Have you ever comprehended what the left has said about the right, or do you simply repeat what you hear/read from other lefties. Did you listen during the Bush years? did you listen during the Regan years? Do you remember what happened to Newt? Your side seems to be overboard most of the time.
It's not just the signs, TTT. It's the junk that Sykes posts on that you hear on Limbaugh, Beck etc...it's all of a piece. The problem is that the sentiment shown in those signs is not marginal. It's what the right wing stands for now.
Friday, Nov 6 at 2:54 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Anonymous is absolutely right. It only takes a few signs to prove that the entire conservative movement is totally off its rocker and FULL of lunatics. I wish I were smart enough to have seen that to begin with. THANK YOU, Anonymous!
Hey Anon. Got absolute proof those tea partiers were right wing? Ever hear of infiltrators? Naw, probably not...too busy slamming good, hard-working, taxpayers... as though they have no right to protest. Can't wait to start paying those insurance premiums though coverage is several years away... how about YOU?
Friday, Nov 6 at 1:43 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Politically insensitive signs are proof that we need more government spending, higher taxation, and socialized medicine. Nancy Pelosi is a great American, and I LOVE Barack Obama. MM-MM.
My favorite sign at the protest was the one that said "Ken-ya Trust Obama?" Or maybe the one that showed pictures of dead bodies at the Dachau concentration camp and compared health care reform to the Holocaust. Or the one that depicted Obama as Sambo. All of the signs really say a lot about the protesters.
My favorite sign from the D.C. protest yesterday was: "We are 12 months away from fundamentally changing Congress" Now this is hope and change you really can believe in as long as we don't get lazy again.
The public doesn't count. The unions are bought and paid for. The AARP is bought and paid for. The welfare/entitlement crowd is bought and paid for. BO will never listen, because in his eyes, we don't matter. We're here to pay taxes, to shut up and like it.
Is this not what many of us expected? The Big "O" is in a bubble and likes to be. He has an agenda and will stick to it as he knows this will be a 4 year horror event. If he does bend a bit, all people will have to do is watch his actions. They have not matched his mouth!
I say its too damn late now. Even if they DO bend to our wishes they have shown us that they CANNOT be trusted. I believe that IF we give them another chance they will stab us in the back. This regime needs toGO period.
Monday, Nov 9 at 10:08 PM Hank wrote ...
As a Republican said, in answer to the question, What message does this passage of the House Bill send? - the Message is, Democrats didn't get the Message from the Town Halls and the Tea Parties, recent polls, etc. - the Dems are committing political suicide by voting for the Porkulus Bill and now this Health Care Monstrosity
31867476 Flag for moderationMonday, Nov 9 at 3:57 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Wow, you sure are perceptive--you should open up an agency columbo.
31852571 Flag for moderationMonday, Nov 9 at 9:14 AM Anonymous wrote ...
Troll, troll, troll your boat.
31828909 Flag for moderationMonday, Nov 9 at 8:45 AM Anonymous wrote ...
Stop with your nonsense and open you eyes! The camps are already being built!
31827469 Flag for moderationMonday, Nov 9 at 7:17 AM Anonymous wrote ...
Another day, another troll. Your stimulus dollars at work.
31823746 Flag for moderationSunday, Nov 8 at 8:18 PM The Intolrable Act wrote ...
Also, if this monstrosity passes into law, we need to immediately challenge its Constitutionality, before Obama appoints more radical Supreme Court judges
31810449 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 10:33 PM The Intolerable Act wrote ...
Now that the House DEMS have passed the P-Lousy Bill on Death Care, I think we need to take to the streets in greater numbers - Feingold and Kohl are lost causes, I know, but we need to send a national message that this bill is INTOLERABLE - it won't take effect until 2013 - we can vote the bozos out who voted for this in 2010 and 2012 and repeal it
31770774 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 1:32 PM right is right wrote ...
In the end, we see what Anonymous is truly reduced to: name-calling.
31754339 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 10:42 AM TWP wrote ...
The GDP bump Liberal pins his hopes on was largely a product of conditions created by the stimulus. So it worked, right? No, not unless it truly jump-started something more lasting, and it took the market about one day to realize that's unlikely to be the case. And that's before even considering the inflationary aftereffects of the spending binge. So if unemployment lags by 6 months expect a one-day blip in the employment figures too. Better hope it hits on election day.
31747579 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 7:15 AM TJ to ALL LIBS wrote ...
If you and yours don't like what the founders of this country started and we the people that want to live by what the US Constitution stands for, MOVE! Go to France,Canada,Mexico,Etc. They already have what you want, please take you and ALL yours and just leave! We will be fine, we can take care of ourselves. We will take care of you and protect you there, just leave please leave!
31740871 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 7:12 AM ijeff wrote ...
I don't think Obama is purposefully destroying America. He believes this crap. His famous words were "I don't want the people who created the mess doing too much talking". He is not listening. Never was. They don’t see they are the problem. While foolishly blaming phantom conservative polices they continue to ignore the real liberal banking polices that got us into the financial mess in 2008. They believe in big government solutions while ignoring their failures.
31740801 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 6:51 AM ijeff wrote ...
This recession would be long over and job growth would have resumed if the stimulus was a conservative stimulus. I don't get where people like "liberal" claim "conservative policy" of Bush killed the economy? What the hell conservative policy did Bush initiate after democrats took over congress in Nov 2006 election? If you know anything at all about economics you would understand that it is Obama/Pelosi/Reid policies that are undermining the private sector.
31740386 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 7 at 6:32 AM Liberal wrote ...
As informative as are the musings of Anon and the sarcasm of TTT, did any of you actually READ the Noonan link? It's thesis -- voters are tuned to the economy and therefore "punished" 2 Dem govs -- came out the same day BEA released Q2 GDP with a 3.5% increase (a huge shift from Bush's -5.4 and -6.4 as conservative policy put capitalism in a coma in Q3-Q4 08). If unemployment lags by 6 months, the news of dropping unemployment rates hits in early April 2010. Stimulus succeeds, politically.
31740026 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:51 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Anonymous is being mean to me, but I'm sure I deserve it. He's my hero.
31725919 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:50 PM @ Jordan wrote ...
Why pay this idiot the courtesy of giving him any idea whatsoever of who he's talking to?
31725894 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:46 PM Anonymous wrote ...
This claim of an obligation to "denounce" everything one doesn't agree with is stupid, even for "Anonymous". Shall we list every asinine thing said by anyone on the left and accuse this moron of "avoiding the issue" until he explicitly "distances himself" each and every one?
31725724 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:42 PM Jordan wrote ...
Obviously 6:39 was me because it wasn't a stupid Anonymoron comment...
31725609 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:41 PM Jordan wrote ...
6:39 was me.
31725564 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:41 PM Jordan wrote ...
And btw, how soon you forget the abject walking excrement that showed up in droves (with absolutely vile signs) at your average anti-Bush rally for 8 yrs.
31725549 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:39 PM Anonymous wrote ...
I'm not denoucing any stupid sign because A) There's a pretty good chance it's some dork liberal poser trying to get some brain dead liberal media type to take their pic (in another tired attempt to make the event look extremist) or B) it may actually be some random lunatic, and lunatics act like lunatics… that doesn’t discredit the overwhelming majority of citizens voicing their legitimate greivances to this radical left government.
31725474 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:28 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Way to avoid the issue TTT. You, like the republican party, refuse to distance yourself from that sort of incendiary rhetoric.
31725066 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 6:11 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Anonymous is right. You are obligated to specifically denounce everything you don't agree with 100% or you're a hypocrite and that's the worst thing anyone can be. Anonymous is wise and insightful, brilliant and witty. I agree with everything he says. When I see those magic words "Anonymous wrote ...", I know I'm getting nothing but the straight poop.
31724409 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 5:51 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Great. So if you disagree with what's written on those signs, then denounce it.
31723601 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 4:00 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Everyone who agrees with Limbaugh, Beck, and Sykes is an extremist nut. They're a bunch of crazies. I know this because Keith Olberman and an anonymous blogger on the WTMJ web site told me so.
31718934 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 3:46 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Anonymous has special insight that goes beyond what the rest of us see with our mere eyes. He can see into the thoughts of all those who AREN'T carrying signs. Either that or he's just another lib projecting/making stuff up. Take YOUR pick.
31718246 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 3:41 PM Lucy wrote ...
Anon, what you just posted is bull! You sound closed minded and completely indoctrinated by the Left. Have you ever comprehended what the left has said about the right, or do you simply repeat what you hear/read from other lefties. Did you listen during the Bush years? did you listen during the Regan years? Do you remember what happened to Newt? Your side seems to be overboard most of the time.
31717959 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 3:25 PM ActionsSpeaks LouderthanWords wrote ...
Anonignouramus – Cap and Tax (and ObamaRhamacare) will break my bones but signs will never hurt me.
31716894 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 3:12 PM Anonymous wrote ...
hooray for anonymous:Sikes will be the downfall of WTMJ all the crap he likes to spin...
31716076 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 3:02 PM Anonymous wrote ...
It's not just the signs, TTT. It's the junk that Sykes posts on that you hear on Limbaugh, Beck etc...it's all of a piece. The problem is that the sentiment shown in those signs is not marginal. It's what the right wing stands for now.
31715506 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 2:56 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Anonymous wants to be a lawyer when he grows up. Maybe he'll even have his own blog site.
31715101 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 2:54 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Anonymous is absolutely right. It only takes a few signs to prove that the entire conservative movement is totally off its rocker and FULL of lunatics. I wish I were smart enough to have seen that to begin with. THANK YOU, Anonymous!
31714986 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 2:37 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Great Joyce, so I take it that you agree that the protesters shouldn't carry signs like that?
31713744 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 2:29 PM Joyce wrote ...
Hey Anon. Got absolute proof those tea partiers were right wing? Ever hear of infiltrators? Naw, probably not...too busy slamming good, hard-working, taxpayers... as though they have no right to protest. Can't wait to start paying those insurance premiums though coverage is several years away... how about YOU?
31713174 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 2:22 PM Anonymous wrote ...
TTT--Either the signs are proof of that, or they are proof that the right wing is unhinged and full of lunatics. Take your pick.
31712609 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 1:43 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Politically insensitive signs are proof that we need more government spending, higher taxation, and socialized medicine. Nancy Pelosi is a great American, and I LOVE Barack Obama. MM-MM.
31710141 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 1:34 PM Anonymous wrote ...
My favorite sign at the protest was the one that said "Ken-ya Trust Obama?" Or maybe the one that showed pictures of dead bodies at the Dachau concentration camp and compared health care reform to the Holocaust. Or the one that depicted Obama as Sambo. All of the signs really say a lot about the protesters.
31709501 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 12:26 PM Tichigan Shade wrote ...
I would like to by Mombo Napolitano a beer.
31704939 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 12:21 PM Mombo Napolitano wrote ...
This group of neocom statists are an affront and insult to the founding fathers and their wisdom and to our tradition of liberty.
31704561 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 12:10 PM Truth Seeker wrote ...
My favorite sign from the D.C. protest yesterday was: "We are 12 months away from fundamentally changing Congress" Now this is hope and change you really can believe in as long as we don't get lazy again.
31703781 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 12:02 PM D wrote ...
The public doesn't count. The unions are bought and paid for. The AARP is bought and paid for. The welfare/entitlement crowd is bought and paid for. BO will never listen, because in his eyes, we don't matter. We're here to pay taxes, to shut up and like it.
31703296 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 11:48 AM RbyR wrote ...
Is this not what many of us expected? The Big "O" is in a bubble and likes to be. He has an agenda and will stick to it as he knows this will be a 4 year horror event. If he does bend a bit, all people will have to do is watch his actions. They have not matched his mouth!
31702189 Flag for moderationFriday, Nov 6 at 10:45 AM MADDOG wrote ...
I say its too damn late now. Even if they DO bend to our wishes they have shown us that they CANNOT be trusted. I believe that IF we give them another chance they will stab us in the back. This regime needs toGO period.
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