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Nov 3, 2009
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Nov 3, 2009
Here's something Washington really doesn't want you to know.
And apparently, it's also something the Journal Sentinel doesn't think you need to know, since as of now it hasn't written about it.
But by popular demand, here is the link the Wellpoint/Blue Cross Blue Shield study of what Obamacare would do to health insurance premiums in Wisconsin.
Thursday, Nov 5 at 2:18 PM BV to Hank wrote ...
Yep, its true. They dont word it quite that way. They are starting by forcing those who have no coverage to buy the public option. So those who loose coverage through an employer either through budget cuts or layoff will then imediatly be put on the public option, and so on until we are all on it.
31648194 Flag for moderationThursday, Nov 5 at 12:59 AM KT to Hank wrote ...
Yes, that is true.
31616289 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 11:13 PM Hank wrote ...
I've also heard/read that it's in Pelosi's Bill that no one may purchase Private Health Care after 2013. I haven't read the bill, but no one has responded to say that's not true. Sensenbrener's office could probably give you the section number. He's a very reliable person - he wouldn't make such a statement if it was bogus (as you kids say). I've heard it from other sources than Sensenbrenner too - sorry I haven't had time to read the 1900 page bill yet
31613379 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 9:12 PM Jordan to Big Bill wrote ...
I've been in a bar once in the last six months. My moniker must be red flagged by you limp wrists because sometimes it takes 6 hours to get "approved" lately.. I work my ass off btw and my image of you is one fat whiny doughboy...
31609611 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 6:01 PM Liberal @ Mombo wrote ...
Yeah, and the liberal, socialist, atheist, (see Jordan at 3:35 AM for additional epithets)Pelosi Congress is going to suck the life blood out conservative brains beginning precisely at 12:01 AM 1/1/2013. Where do you conservatives get this crap? Do you really just sit around and make stuff up? What section of "the bill" do you claim will make it illegal to sell private insurance. Seriously. Is this just another fraudulent "death panel" claim? What section do you claim makes it illegal?
31602451 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 10:30 AM Mombo Napolitano wrote ...
All new private insurance company policies illegal after 2013: Sensenbrenner affirmed what we have all heard, but the president, senate, and house leaders have denied: The bill does make it illegal for anyone to sell private insurance after [ObamaCare] takes effect on Jan. 1, 2013!
31573309 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 9:32 AM Bill wrote ...
Hey Jorden you might want to stay away from your computer when you get home at bartime.
31569334 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 8:58 AM Reducto wrote ...
Bill Gates and Warren Buffett should foot the entire health care bill for everyone else. That way costs are reduced for practically everyone. The most benefit for the most people is what we're after here, right?
31566969 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 7:46 AM Mary wrote ...
This will cost our family upwards of 15K a year when (not if) my husband's employer cancels his health insurance. No government subsidies for a middle class family.
31562781 Flag for moderationWednesday, Nov 4 at 1:28 AM Liberal wrote ...
Ummmm, did any of you conservative ditto heads actually read the Wellpoint analysis? Costs will go DOWN for some, up for others. The biggest increase is young single males, notoriously poor insurance buyers and high (PUBLICLY/charity funded) emergency room users. AND 50% of that increase (in Wisconsin) is BECAUSE of eliminating the pre-existing conditions loophole and assuming there WON'T be a coverage mandate. And ANOTHER 74% of the "increase" is because coverage is better!!! Read it.
31556669 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 10:35 PM Jordan wrote ...
Uhh O (stolen for Drudge)... VA and NJ Gov's both go to conservatives.... hmmmm... this hope and change steaming pile of excrement is really catching on... (THESE 2 F-ING STATES VOTED FOR OUR LORD AND PRECIOUS SAVIOR) ahem.. suck on that Anon, moron h., bill, good god ... too many idiots to name... soak it in libs... this skinny done-nothing socialist is an f-ing train-wreck... Ahhh, just rich...
31551164 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 10:11 PM Jordan wrote ...
I'll restate my point. The military is a wholy run subsidiary of the US gov't, so of course there is a bureacracy (the pentagon) and therefore waste. The non-bureaucratic arm however is the wickedest, baddest a$$, well-run military in the history of the world. Why? Because the US military is voluntary and literlly no liberals (ok, maybe a few) join it. Hence it is well run and dominant. At this point I told Bill to come up with another stupid argument and I think I was sent to the censors..
31549994 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 9:57 PM HJL wrote ...
Jordan, I was referring to the commanders and troops on the ground. Although your point is understood.
31549409 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 9:56 PM @bajaskier wrote ...
The US Postal System!! - Oh, wait, Obama said UPS and Fedex were more efficient... never mind...
31549381 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 9:48 PM Jordan wrote ...
And i didn't save it and it wasn't that "radical" as I've been called... makes me think John Adams was a radical..
31548999 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 9:45 PM Jordan to HJL wrote ...
You are rigt in spirit, but not in fact.. right now LORD BO is in charge of the military... my comment which I thought would post an hour ago was 'sent for approval'... let's see if it's approved... it addresses the point u make...
31548819 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 9:30 PM HJL wrote ...
Bill is correct. The US military is a gov't run program. And do you know why it is the only successful gov't run program? Because it is run by Republicans.
31548136 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 8:42 PM Jordan to Bill wrote ...
Yes William Einstein, it is. And like every wholy run subdidiary of the US gov't there is a bureacracy (ie, Pentagon) and therefore there is waste. But the non-bureacratic arm of the military is the baddest ass in the world, and there is no close second. Ya see, ours is a volunteer military; and lo and behold, virtually no liberals join it. Hence, it is the most awesome and well run military force in the history of the world... Now go come up with some other stupid argument..
31546056 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:56 PM KT wrote ...
Under the gov. insurance plan, a single person earning $44,000 will pay $7,300 annually. A family of four making $102,000 will pay $20,500 each year in premiums and out of pocket costs. These are the current projected numbers based on the requirements in the Pelosi bill.
31541999 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 6:50 PM KT to bajaskier wrote ...
For some reason nothing is coming to mind.
31541719 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:57 PM Doug wrote ...
Its hard to tell, but we wont qualify for any subsidies. So I figure it will double or so.
31539184 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 5:33 PM Right, Bill wrote ...
And we know cost overruns are unheard of in the US military.
31538016 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 4:58 PM Bill wrote ...
bajaskier isn't the US military a gov't run program?
31536416 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 2:52 PM PK wrote ...
Healthcare reform is now only a change in health insurance; where did we forget to look at changes in the real health care debate. Hospitals and clinics are laughing all the way to the bank. Please, what is the problem and fix it but do not change the whole system. What a mess this discussion is...every other business is making their processes run better to reduce costs. A new healthcare "insurance" process has too much risk and too much cost. What other business would make this choice.
31529271 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 1:51 PM HopeandChange(TM) wrote ...
So our health insurance will go up by 120 percent (provided our employer doesn't dump us), the cost of everything we use will go up due to cap & trade, eventually our utility rates will "necessarily skyrocket" -- do we then get to go on the dole and get the nebulous 'someone else' to pay for it all?
31525776 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 1:21 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Government-run health care will be different from other government programs. It will be economical, efficient, and high in quality. I think this is because our government is more competent and caring than the evil profiteers to whom we now entrust our health.
31523884 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 1:13 PM Bjorn Yesterday wrote ...
Jimmy Doyle has made auto insurance more affordable in Wisconsin. I sure there will be a similiar effect with health insurance.
31523409 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 1:13 PM bajaskier wrote ...
Per my comments on an earlier post: please name ONE, just ONE, only ONE government run program that did not cost more than was originally suggested OR has not been a model of inefficiency. Just one.
31523404 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 1:04 PM MADDOG wrote ...
The whole dang bill needs to go bye bye.
31522919 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 12:51 PM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
Single payer will provide care for millions of people who don't now get it, but will not affect quality and availability for the rest of us in any way except making it cheaper. Medicare will cost the country much less, but will be totally unaffected otherwise. I love Barack Obama MM-MM!
31522134 Flag for moderationTuesday, Nov 3 at 12:40 PM Bill wrote ...
Exactly why a strong public option is needed or better yet single payer.
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