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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I BRING YOU GOVERNMENT HEALTH CAREBy Charlie Sykes Shortages, delays, long lines, rationing. Just a small preview of what the government has in store for you.... |
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Tuesday, Oct 27 at 1:29 PM MADDOG @That One wrote ...
It says PROMOTE the general welfare. Not get everyone hooked on welfare.
31180284 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 27 at 7:23 AM TWP @ Hank wrote ...
That One seems to have headed for the tall grass. And just when he was about to enlighten me on my "fundamental human right" to massage therapy for my chronic back pain. BTW, it's "reserved to" the states or the people - the states delegate powers to the federal government, not vice versa. Or so went the theory. The founding fathers spin in their graves.
31159024 Flag for moderationMonday, Oct 26 at 9:31 PM Hank wrote ...
delegated to the several States" (or something like that) - I'm quoting from memory, so please excuse me if any of that is incorrect - it's too late at night to look it up - point is, in NO WAY would the Founders have supported a Federal Health Care plan
31145774 Flag for moderationMonday, Oct 26 at 9:27 PM Hank wrote ...
@That One - my basic point is that Health Care has to be paid for, one way or another - thanks for conflating Health Care with the Iraq war and Bush (of course). The ..." promoting the general Welfare..." part of the Constitution had to do with regulating trade between the States - if the Founders could have foreseen how that phrase would be abused, they would have left it out or more clearly defined it. How about the part that says, "the powers not granted to the Federal Government are
31145627 Flag for moderationMonday, Oct 26 at 7:20 AM Soso wrote ...
The underlying cause of the sabotage and wrecking in the pharmaceutical industry behind this setback is the class struggle. Of course, the class enemy furiously resists the socialist offensive. This alone, however, is not an adequate explanation for the luxuriant growth of wrecking activities. This is the work of agents of foreign bourgeois espionage services; a gang of spies, wreckers, diversionists, assassins and traitors to the country. These enemies of the people will be dealt with.
31109257 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 9:55 PM TWP, trying again wrote ...
That One, was there an answer to my question somewhere in that babble? I mean, are things like dental care part of this "fundamental human right"? Does the "fundamental human right" extend to white resin fillings or only the metal ones? Do I have a "fundamental human right" to any treatment that I personally think will extend my LIFE, no matter how briefly or what the cost? Or does someone else decide the extent of this "fundamental human right"? If so, who?
31101312 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 9:35 PM That One to Hank wrote ...
I'm sorry Hank, after 8 years under President Bush's conservative economic reality, I was led to believe that liberty in Iraq could be paid for "off-budget" without raising taxes or cutting spending, so I guess I just assumed that there had to be money for our own American citizens. Thank you for your deep insights and for enlightening me. Your profound economic knowledge won't be lost on me.
31100937 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 9:25 PM That One to TWP wrote ...
Our Founding Fathers when they wrote "...inalienable rights; that among these, are LIFE, liberty..."in the Declaration of Independence and when they wrote "...promote the general Welfare" in the preamble to the Constitution. I bet if you look on the internet, you might be able to find these documents to see for yourself. You'll probably dismiss these since the deist chief author founded a political party with "Democratic" in its name meaning it is islamo-fascist-socialist rubbish.
31100743 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 8:51 PM Hank wrote ...
Unfortunately, Health Care IS an economic commodity - somebody has to pay for it, somehow, or it will fail as an enterprise, just like any other service. Just saying it's a fundamental human right doesn't make it free of charge. You LIBS can't face economic reality.
31099973 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 3:57 PM D to Lmsa wrote ...
Your Katrina analogy is a steaming pant-load. 30 years before Katrina I was sitting in geology classes where professors were pointing out the problems with the levy systems. A full year before Katrina I was in classes where our instructor predicted virtually everything that was going to happen in New Orleans, including the liberal democrat response that somehow someone else should come in and clean up the mess.
31092654 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 12:21 PM TWP @ That One wrote ...
What level of health care is a "fundamental human right"? Who decides?
31086842 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 9:03 AM Lmsa wrote ...
This is a better picture than the ones we saw from Katrina and Bush's response to that mess.
31080323 Flag for moderationSunday, Oct 25 at 3:21 AM Walt to D wrote ...
You know what you are talking about and I agree, I just have so little faith in the president, so far, that it is easy to suspect his intentions. I will just have to just watch and wait. I hope I am wrong about what he will do next. Heading out on a long needed vacation, see you in a week.
31073662 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 10:24 PM KT to Hank wrote ...
Exactly.
31069277 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 9:52 PM Hank wrote ...
I know this has been over-used, but I think it's relevant here - the Fed Govt. couldn't even run the "small" Cash-For-Clunkers program - how are they going to run one-sixth of our economy (Health Care)??
31068509 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 9:32 PM That One to Walt wrote ...
Enron was one of several major companies who were engaged in similar book-cooking behavior. Countrywide was a minor symptom in a much bigger problem--mortgage backed securities were deliberately created to skirt laws--they were called securities and not mortgages precisely to skirt laws. What Bush and O have done is eliminate the market risk by bailing out failed investment scams. Is Medicare a scam?
31068039 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:30 PM flair wrote ...
charlie sykes you hate obama you instill fear into your sheep listeners , get over it , black man in charge next 8 years , the republican is dead its a new world your race baiting is useless and republicans are useless bitter white man who can, get over a black man as president whoooooooooooooooooooo their i said it whooooooooo
31066537 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 7:37 PM KT to That One wrote ...
Everyone should have a home too, but that doesn't mean the gov. should come in and give a house to everyone. Here's why: anything the goverment gives to you they can, and will, also take away from you. Same thing applies to health care.
31065259 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 7:28 PM D to Walt - part 2 wrote ...
I should add that I am not implying local agencies were unprepared or ignored their responsibilities. A lot of agencies have been trying and testing different ways to address the mass dispensing issue, from fewer large centers, to several more localized centers (like polling places, etc) to keep crowds manageable. Each process has it's drawbacks, and is further compounded by the limited supply.
31065087 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 7:14 PM D to Walt wrote ...
Please don't mistake me for little d. I agree with you about O. But on emergency preparedness, it goes way beyond severe weather. Done right it addresses all hazards, regardless of cause. Pandemic flu planning has been underway for several years in places that took it seriously, while others laughed about overreacting. That doesn't absolve the feds for their optimism about availability of the vaccine, but problems in mass dispensing of limited resources is just as much a local planning issue.
31064772 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 5:52 PM Walt to That One wrote ...
Enron was only ONE Company in a national market; for Pete sake did you actually think I was talking about EVERY COMPANY in that Free Market system should not fail? No your right I don’t know that much about the “Mortgage back securities” but to me it sounds like a Stock market failure of one specific entity. Are you talking about Countrywide? The one, by the way, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and BO had their fingers into, I hope not.
31062714 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 5:51 PM That One wrote ...
I don't disagree KT, but in a free market, you also have social darwinism. I may not be as pro-life as you conservatives, but I happen to think health care is a fundamental human right and not some economic commodity that only the privileged who can afford it deserve.
31062662 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 5:48 PM Amy L. Geiger-Hemmer wrote ...
Obama is declaring a national emergency on H1N1 for one reason: to distract from his horrendous presidency. He is falling in the polls. He has no clue what to do in Afghanistan. The economy stinks. His "porkulus" bill just served to put us more in debt. People are waking up to the fact that this president is no leader. All he can do is campaign. He doesn't know how to run a country. His response: distract with a made-up crisis. H1N1. Has that replaced the global warming panic?
31062569 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 5:17 PM KT to That One wrote ...
I think what Walt meant (correct me if I'm wrong, Walt) is that a free market economy as a whole does not fail. Certain individual companies may fail, but the system does not. It is actually good and expected that some companies fail. It helps curb corruption and leads to improvements in business methods and management.
31061852 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 4:29 PM That One wrote ...
Walt, the President last spring ordered preparedness and the market, mostly due to "glitches" was unable to meet demand. As far as the market never failing, I guess you've never heard of Enron or mortgage back debt securities--precisely why regulation and not a pure laissez faire economy is necessary. How have Bill Bennett's for profit schools done?
31060758 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 4:14 PM Walt to D wrote ...
That was FLU not flue, my God I don’t want trying to sidetrack the conversation just because I typed an extra “e” in a word.
31060439 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 4:08 PM Walt to D wrote ...
This “trigger mechanism”, or emergency preparedness plan is what government uses as a Hurricane or tornado season approaches, since April now they have been warning us about its “dangers”, what was the POTUS doing all this time in preparation for the flue season. O! Yah I forgot he was strategizing over the Afgan war, OR was it putting more Americans back to work, NO maybe he was improving our image to the Europeans. You know maybe you should tell us what the heck he was doing.
31060322 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 3:52 PM D to Jackie wrote ...
It's not a matter of panic. A lot of emergency preparedness plans need a trigger mechanism like this declaration in order to implement them. What will start becoming apparent is which agencies (local, state and federal) heeded the warnings during the last few years and did the planning, training and testing to deal with the mass distribution issues we are now seeing. That won't solve the shortage problem, but long lines in the rain and residency questions were preventable problems.
31059872 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 3:50 PM Walt to Jackie wrote ...
I heard that earlier this afternoon, boy can I call it or what. This president is so easy to predict for a conservative, once you know his motives. It amazes me how dense liberals can be about his real intensions, or an even more saddening commentary, they really do know his plans and just don’t care.
31059819 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 3:41 PM Walt to d wrote ...
I still believe the free market doesn’t fail, IF LEFT ALONE; you just need to look at the European continent as proof of that. They have lived under kings, despots and socialism for as long as history records and where are they NOW as compared to the United States short history; and you think it is my top 10 most stupid comments? I just gave you a great place to look, and prove me wrong, now can you name one free market country that has failed. Makes your other comment suspect, doesn’t it?
31059594 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 3:26 PM Jackie wrote ...
To obamafan: Who's panicking now. Today, your Pres. declared a National Emergency. Who, oh Who, is trying to scare eveyone? What a farce!
31059287 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 2:15 PM JEFF wrote ...
As I recall, several years ago President George Bush was raked over the coals for not getting the flu vaccine to the public in a timely manner. ( As if it was HIS fault) So, lets just wait and see how our illustrious government run media will put a twist on this years foul ups. I am sure our "award winning" behind the scenes leader will be successful in pointing fingers first, and then making himself "appear" to be a hero with some outrages claim.
31057559 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 12:58 PM d wrote ...
Walt you really don't comprehend science or the current state of law to any degree. The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act provides tort liability immunity for the vaccine manufacturers. "Attenuated vaccine" is about using language that conveys the true meaning (but charlie's folks don't care about precision). "The free market never does fail", this is quite possibly in your ten top stupid comments and yes that takes something.
31055584 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 12:20 PM Walt wrote ...
The vaccine has to be produced the old way and can take up to, what, 6 months to incubate. Plus many of the strains are different and have to be dealt with. The free market never does fail, it is just slowed down with every government regulation that is put in its path. Remove the stumbling blocks through Tort reform and just stand back.
31054639 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 12:13 PM Walt to d wrote ...
So now what, as long as you can’t contribute to the discussion liberals are now reduced to spell checking our posts and searching the Thesaurus for bigger words to come back at us with. Since you guys have never had to really defend your arguments before I got to tell you, you really suck at it.
31054429 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 11:46 AM btycrkr to Walt wrote ...
I'm doing fine! I, too am waiting a bit. I'm not standing in line with a bunch of vulnerable people out in the rain and cold! I agree that they wanted their photo op, but I also wanted to point out the lack of common sense these government fools display time and time again. Frequent hand washing, my friend! A little Purell doesn't hurt either!
31053742 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 11:26 AM That One to Jim the Firmeman wrote ...
The reason Jim, is because people in your age group are considered immune from this particular strain. Unless you have a compromised immune system, the vaccine is going to the most vulnerable--the young--only 7% of flu cases in adults are swine flu and no specific adult deaths of otherwise healthy adults have been reported unlike the 95 pediatric deaths attributed to swine. But, just like those who oppose reform, "as long as I got mine, who cares"
31053127 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 11:10 AM That One wrote ...
There is a shortage of the vaccine. This vaccine is being produced by five PRIVATE manufacturers and is mostly due lower than predicted yields from vaccine manufacturers and on some manufacturing "glitches" that have occurred since May according to Foxnews.com. But, the free market never fails. Granted, there is heavy demand, but when profits are to be made, that demand should have been met--nope, due to market failures.
31052619 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 10:52 AM d wrote ...
Live "attenuated vaccine", I know its a big word walt-attenuated. What would Galt do-leave it to the market. If you have the cash you could contact the mfg. directly and secure your dose.
31052087 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:54 AM Walt to obamafan wrote ...
My goodness, I hope “Ian” doesn’t see your post with all those grammatical errors, he won’t understand a single word you are saying.
31048602 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:46 AM Walt to Ian wrote ...
OK, so I lost my “Y” as I was typing; thanks for correcting me. Liberals love doing that so I was glad to make your day. If you didn’t understand my reply post than I just don’t know how else to help you get it, I can’t draw pictures here; guess I’ll just have to talk to someone else.
31048333 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:34 AM Walt to btycrkr wrote ...
Hi btycrkr, how are you doing? To answer your question why didn’t they open the doors and let the most at risk in out of the rain. I said it before in a previous post to Ian, maybe they “wanted this photo” to justify the need for better government run health care.
31048007 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:28 AM Walt to Jeff wrote ...
P.S. as far as riding it out goes it looks like THIS first attempted Government run Health care program has already made that decision for me. Last word I got was not enough vaccinations for everyone that wants one and all they have now is a LIVE virus, not good for pregnant women or the elderly. The better “dead” vaccine (w/ needle) won’t be out until after the BEST TIME TO TAKE IT is over. Maybe this was the plan all along, you know, this administrations cute way of “thinning the heard”.
31047767 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:20 AM Dan B. wrote ...
Sorry I meant the United States of Socialist America (USSA).
31047539 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:19 AM Dan B wrote ...
As a student of history, this picture looks a lot like the citzens of Russia standing in line to receive their bread ration after the Bolsheviks took power. Welcome to the United States of Socialist Republics (USSA). When will the good old USA come back!!
31047509 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 8:13 AM Walt to Jeff wrote ...
Actually I do intend to ride it out. You know how it is when new technology comes out how expensive it is AT FIRST, than after 6 months the next model number comes out and it’s CHEAPER, AND BETTER than the one you just bought. Well I never buy the latest NEW product when it comes out, I always wait till they work the bugs out first, so far that decision has proved me right, I ‘m sticking with it. I do, however, understand the panic families with young children are having right now, thanks you BO
31047297 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 7:55 AM obamafan wrote ...
what a straw man argument charles your a joke wtih you disgeneous arguments. if every hay seed wouldn't panic every time theres an illness the people that really need the shot could get it. can't you guys find a real story to follow the like balloon boy which your morniing team did
31046703 Flag for moderationSaturday, Oct 24 at 7:36 AM ijeff wrote ...
The sad part of all this is once again we have team Obama taking advantage of a so-called crisis (health insurability problems) and using it as an excuse for more socialism (govt takeover of health insurance). They are never honest enough to state this up front. Honesty is not the best friend of a liberal democrat when they are pursuing unpopular policies. When more people begin to realize this will they still find Obama personally appealing?
31046138 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 11:35 PM Phil to ian wrote ...
Have you read any of the proposals uot there 'try reading H.R.3200 page 16 which state that 1 year after it is LAW priv ins. CANNO't enroll new people therefor u must be on the public opt. or face a 2% tax or the bocus bill which states a fine or jail time if u don't have ins. show me where it's about nothing less than govt. run !!!! h.
31038722 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 10:43 PM Hank wrote ...
The "public option" will kill private insurance - if you don't know that yet, I can't explain it here in a short paragraph - for example, employers will cancel insurance for employees, since the employees can now access the "public option" - I repeat - BOONDOGGLE of all BOONDOGGLES!!
31037712 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 10:02 PM KT to Ian wrote ...
The issue is that a public option would not be just for the people that want it. The plan by the liberals in Congress requires everyone to get public insurance in addition to their private insurance. Eventually (and it wouldn't take very long) the gov. would take over insurance entirely because they have more money and power. Then there won't be anymore private insurance. The gov. insurance is very basic and does not cover nearly as much as private. That is the problem.
31036923 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 9:34 PM Ian wrote ...
Hank, I'm talking about the government creating a public option that will be put up against plans offered by private insurance companies. I do not support a system where everyone is forced into a government-run system. I just want the public option available to those who want or need it.
31036232 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 8:49 PM Hank wrote ...
What the heck is Ian blathering about? - I've lost the thread of his comments... the picture on the blog is a metaphor for what awaits us with "universal" Health Care as proposed by the DEMS - that means universal waits and rationing of HC - I don't see or hear anybody saying any of the FED plans would improve Health Care, and it won't cover very many of the uninsured (though it will fine people who choose not to have insurance). The very definition of BOONDOGGLE!
31035077 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 8:21 PM Ian wrote ...
Walt,I guess I didn't understand what you read. You seemed to be to alluding to the fact that everyone in line had a good amount of money, what with their "costly hair styles" and "excessive jewelry". I was just too excited to post a response. It's spelled EAGERLY by the way. KT, I'm talking about the public option, where it is put up against the offerings of private health insurance companies.
31034347 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 7:24 PM ijeff wrote ...
I sometimes think Obama doesn't really care about this country and what he does to it. But, I realize that isn't right. He sincerely believes this country is so flawed and what he wishes to transform it to will be a better utopia. So, he does care about this country. He's just wrong headed and dilusional. He is incredibly lacking in an honest understanding of the history and virtue of this country. The people Obama associated with in the past do tell a lot about who he is today.
31032774 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 7:15 PM Allen wrote ...
I believe the talk is a little deep. I believe the photo is really representative of a pompus principal who can't think of a way to put people in the gymnasium. The height of arrogance. You see when no one asks the school leadership to think, they won't.
31032492 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 6:14 PM Maddie - Saukville wrote ...
Jordan-the revolution is on: FIRE CONGRESS, TERM LIMITS, ORDINARY CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVES. I've already got bi-partisan support: http://nationalconversation.typepad.com/the_national_conversation/2009/10/the-antitea-party.html#comments
31030793 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 6:06 PM Shelly wrote ...
Jeff, are you as dumb as Obama or are you just playing on the computer? There is a flu every year and people die. I hope that they name the next flu the "Skunk Flu" so you know how much your fake President stinks.
31030537 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 6:01 PM btycrkr wrote ...
I'd like to know who the GENIUS was that booked a very large facility to give the vaccinations in, then made everyone wait outside in the rain and cold. Hello!?! Open the doors so these "most at risk" folks can stay warm and dry inside! Remember, these are the same brainiacs that will be in charge of our healthcare if it gets rammed through.
31030374 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 6:00 PM Jordan wrote ...
I'm renewing my assertion that I actually believe a 2nd revolution is in the future if Lord BO keeps this country on a full frontal socialist path... If the economy does a double dip (ie, another hard downturn) and healthcare and cap and tax are in the books, look out... hell I'll join in..
31030343 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 5:53 PM Maddie - Saukville wrote ...
Did I say "Today is the day we care for the sick"? I meant, tomorrow, or February at the latest is when we care for the sick! But I'll give you a voucher for a flu shot or insulin or chemo, you know, it's just as good as what you need. Well, at least the water stopped rising-it is clearly falling in this picture.
31030092 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 5:51 PM Jeff wrote ...
When the first reports came out about the H1N1 swine flu talk radio said it was nothing to worry about and it was blown way out of proportion. Now that it's become a world wide epidemic or even pandemic, they are worried about who, how and how fast the public is getting inoculated. People how have and can afford health insurance are standing in line for their FREE shot and yet they still complain. If you hate Gov. health care, and hate Obama so much, get a helmet and ride it out without the shot
31030039 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 5:15 PM Walt to Ian wrote ...
I never said they were “wealthy”, I was making TWO points one being that these extraordinarily long lines are NOT necessarily all people “without health care” AS YOU EAGERL POSTED. My second point was that it was the Federal government that got everyone worked up about the dangers of Swine flu and said “we will take care it for you” than came up VERY short. Call me cynical but I’m guessing they wanted this photo. Remember their motto, “Never let a good crisis go to waste”
31028802 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 4:40 PM KT to Ian wrote ...
Just because someone has insurance does not mean they get to skip to the front of the line. With gov.-run anything, everyone is equally jipped. Secondly, if Obama gets his way, everyone will be under gov. insurance, not their own private insurance. The goal of universal health care is to universally reduce care for everyone so that they get equally crummy care. "Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong."- President Coolidge
31027677 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 4:28 PM jitters wrote ...
Gee the health commissiner is black and where does the first doses of the vaccine go, in the black community. Next is the spanish community. Gee I guess this is like it will be when BO plan takes effect. Someone out there would call this racism if this were reversed
31027294 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 3:01 PM Jim the Fireman wrote ...
But if you are over the age of 49 (like me) you can't get the immunization. Does the flu know that I'm over 49? Apparently the government thinks so. I agree: This is another example of how terribly run government health care will be. In 5 years people will very much regret "free health care".
31023957 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 2:45 PM b wrote ...
"...charged something for the vaccine, and place reasonable restrictions on liability, there would more vaccine." Poor John doesn't seem to understand that the vaccine manufacturers are all private companies. Our gov't like every other nation has committed to pay and paid for almost 1 billion doses worldwide. To speak of "reasonable restrictions on liability", wouldn't be accepted by the manufacturers-they have near TOTAL liability immunity now.
31023164 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 2:43 PM Sparky wrote ...
They would rather have us all rounded up like cattle standing in line in the rain for hours to receive salvation in the form of an injection. And another thing, how many people standing together are already sick or are sick and don't know it? These vaccination centers are perfect places to spread disease even further.
31023062 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 2:38 PM Sparky wrote ...
There are long lines because the government it f'in up the distribution of the vaccine. My doctor, my wife's doctor, our pediatrician, my sister's doctor, etc are ALL NOT GETTING THE VACCINE as far as they know, so we can't even use our insurance if we wanted to. Looks like the feds and the state are gonna make sure the "O" voter base will be taken care of over the rest of us. They are intentionally restricting private practices and clinics from obtaining the vaccine.
31022822 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 2:38 PM HopeandChange(TM) wrote ...
I'm confused -- is this the "hopey" part or the "changey" part? @TWP: since some were turned away, yes, they were denied health care. When there is rationing, people will get denied health care.
31022792 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 2:04 PM John Gault wrote ...
The gov't has apparently first dibs on the H1N1 vaccine, and is giving it away to its supporters. I called my kids peds clinic and was told middle of Nov. before they got more. By then, it wont matter. Not that I think the flue will be a serious matter. Just think if the gov't let go of the control and charged something for the vaccine, and place reasonable restrictions on liability, there would more vaccine.
31021272 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 1:50 PM TWP @ Ian wrote ...
If they're at free clinics, they're not "without health care", so you're hyperbolizing from go. But if you think the rest of us ought to buy them something better, fine, argue for that. But regardless, we're talking about a small minority, and fouling (shall we say) everything up for the majority is a dumb way to go about making things better for them.
31020562 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 1:35 PM AinWB wrote ...
How about not taxing everyone/thing and slash taxes so companies could grow,hire and provide healthcare/JOBS!
31019842 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 1:28 PM Ian wrote ...
Oh Walt. I cannot attest to the organizations you volunteer for, but I do not think it is fair to say people are taking advantage of the free clincs if they are in good financial shape. Isn't that the argument that many people have concerning the public option? I've heard them argue, "if we can afford better care, why should we be forced to accept a government-run option?" Why on earth would these "wealthy" people wait in the long lines when they could use their own insurance?
31019537 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 1:17 PM Chris from Milwaukee wrote ...
It is funny. I have a health care plan that I do like. I am taking my children to a free clinic tonight, because my childrens' doctor told us they probably will not receive any doses of the H1N1 virus vaccination for another 2-3 weeks. By most reports, the virus will be here before those vaccinations will do any good. To echo the title "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I BRING YOU GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE."
31019142 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 1:03 PM Mombo Napolitano wrote ...
So that BO can pander to his voting base, we are going to destroy our economy, put ourselves out of work. But we will have “free” healthcare and PLENTY of time to stand in line.
31018622 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 12:29 PM Walt to Ian wrote ...
PLEASE, don’t insult our intelligence. I volunteer for various organizations and I know this sad truth, if you give something away there will ALWAYS be someone there willing to take it, whether they need it or not. I have seen “the poor” standing in line for food stamps and other STUFF wearing excessive jewelry, costly hair styles (dreadlocks), with waiting cabs and talking on a camera phones. How long would this line be if the government hadn’t scared them all to death about the swine flu?
31017297 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 12:16 PM TWP wrote ...
Don't worry Ian, help is on the way. Soon they'll have lots of company.
31016597 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 11:52 AM Ian wrote ...
Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you those without health care. You know, the people forced to wait in long lines at free health clinics for basic services.
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