A companion video to Robert Reich's honest assessment of how the elderly just get one with it and die... words from the THe One himself.
From Obama & ABC's HealthCare propaganda show...Obama's tells woman that maybe her elderly mother shouldn't have received that pacemaker - maybe she should have just taken a pain pill (and died) instead of still being alive at 105 (5 years after her operation)...
I ask that you read what is actually said
before you make futher judgement. I didn't
believe all that is reported until I saw for
myself what each part of the bill meant in
laymen terms. It is unbelieveable how it
mislead and contradicts what is said to the
public. Take no ones word, read and understand
it for yourself. We owe that to ourself and
our children.
If you are willing to BET your life and
your parents and grandparents, then vote for the bill.IF in 2 or 3yrs, you
find you were wrong, WHAT WILL YOU DO?
yes - Obama's even for post-abortion abortion - that's not funny, that's sick- I hope we start to heal this sickness in 2010, and kick out the BO Socialist/Fascist virus in 2012
The problem is, you're basing your claims on what this "Obama" guy says, and we all know he's a liar. Find a credible source and get back to us on that.
Brian H., please play the video posted - Obama is saying if you're too old (as determined by his bureaucrats), you'll get pain pills instead of treatments to extend your life. Cal it death panels, whatever. What don't you get?
No John - All I'm saying is that these people want to preserve the healthcare status quo that comes complete with "death panels" because they're scared of the "death panels" that are allegedly in the Healthcare Reform bill. It's comical. And "who or what will decide what is best for society?" Your second question? Whoever we, as a democracy, vote into office - that's who. If the Republicans have a better solution, put up a candidate who can compete and do your part to vote them into office.
Wednesday, Oct 21 at 1:04 PM John to Brian H. wrote ...
Are you saying that we won't have death panels with nationalized health care because we already have them with the insurance companies? Then who or what will decide what is best for society?
Your collective dodging of my questions and points is all the answer I need. Thanks for playing :) And I'm curious, in your little, pathetic, minority worlds - was the only historical period between 1930 - 1945? That seems to be the only time period you idiots know. Morons.
Sarcasm in the previous post is intended for mature audiences who stand speechless at the under 30's of America who can't grasp the weight and relevenace of history and are thus doomed to repeat it, easily swayed by relentless leftist brainwashing by a leftist owned unionist/communist education system and too much SpongeBob, Jonas Brothers, and revisionist history. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything. (Hey, did you know Jonas Brothers is the Grandson of Dr. Joyce Brothers? DUDE!)
Wednesday, Oct 21 at 11:23 AM Kenny G to Mambo wrote ...
30's and 40's Germany! Man, that was like 65-75 YEARS ago! That's like ANCIENT HISTORY, man. Hold on...(Hand me the remote control and them snacky things...Thanks!) Anyway, you were talking about some ancient war where the huns fought the mesopotamians or something, right? What? My DAD was alive then? GET OUT! Dude, your whole history thing is WHACK! What, like you alive way back in, like, the 60s I bet! How about bringing up some RELEVANT history, like how the evil white man ruined Earth! Dude!
Wednesday, Oct 21 at 9:36 AM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
I agree with Brian. When we have government funded health care, everyone will get any form of drugs or medical treatment they might think they need, regardless of cost, and the whole thing will cost much less than we're paying now. No only that, but each and every one of us will get a Free Pony!
At the moment, it is none of my business if you smoke, drink in excess, engage in risky behavior, overeat, have unprotected sex with strangers, etc. When ALL health care is funded by tax dollars, it becomes my business. AND the business of government. The same formula will apply to quality of life and cost efficiency.
No one has disputed my point! All I'm talking about is the ridiculousness of "death panel" talk and "killing granny" accusations. That's it! You know it's bulls**t but that's all you got so you're clinging on for dear life. Homicide Panels - You freaking idiot. Have you been barking like that at the insurance companies' doors when they REALLY don't pay and someone REALLY dies? Have you Jordan? Someone dispute this: Have people died at the hands of the insurance companies? Its a Simple Question!
Think, Brian, think. There is a difference between "socialized HC for the elderly" and socialized HC for everyone. The former is benefits for some paid for by everybody else. That by definition can't be done for everyone; there is no "everybody else" to pay. The same argument could be made for "social security for everyone". Why don't you advocate that?
Tuesday, Oct 20 at 8:28 PM Jordan to Moron H. wrote ...
Yeah, Welfare and Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security and Food stamps and Section 8 housing and Bailouts and stimulus are working out swimmingly. All are going broke you idiot. It is unsustainable and for the time being the reason your grandparents love it is because if anyone dare tell them it is unsustainable and must be reformed they are voted out of office, get it nimrod? This whole entitlement party will implode, and with Mao BO in charge it will be sooner than later
OK, Charlie - not the same exact quote I had in mind, but it's essentially the same thing from Obama - if you're too old (as determined by Us Bureaucrats), you get the pain killers instead of the pacemaker, etc. Thanks for posting this, Charlie. Deny this, LIBS, or tell us how it was taken out of context!
And to go a step further - Riddle me this: If our country is so interested in offing the elderly, why wouldn't they have done it yet? Medicare IS Socialized Health-care for the elderly and I have never heard of any Medicare patient being denied coverage, being euthanized, or having to go bankrupt to stay alive - EVER! Actually, my grandparents say it's 10 times better than their old health insurance plan. Yes, that EVIL Socialized Medicine is going to kill Granny! Give me a freaking break.
Families and individuals can give consideration to "spirit and joy of living" when we take care of ourselves and our own. "We as a society," can't and won't - you heard him say it. When "we as a society" make cost/benefit tradeoffs about extending life for you and YOUR loved ones, it will be based on the interests of "society", not on spirit and joy. Your value to "society" goes negative the day you start costing more than you pay in taxes. Don't say you didn't see it coming.
Charlie and his puppets STILL beating the death panel drum. Get over it. The only death panels worth talking about are the ones that ACTUALLY EXIST ! ! And these death panels don't exist in your fabricated make believe world, but where the rest of us are at, in a place called reality. Insurance companies will actually give bonuses to employees who find a way to deny coverage for people who need it the most. This HAS happened. Your d.panel version has never and will never happen in this country.
Saturday, Nov 14 at 4:19 PM lizbeth wrote ...
I ask that you read what is actually said before you make futher judgement. I didn't believe all that is reported until I saw for myself what each part of the bill meant in laymen terms. It is unbelieveable how it mislead and contradicts what is said to the public. Take no ones word, read and understand it for yourself. We owe that to ourself and our children.
32118956 Flag for moderationSaturday, Nov 14 at 3:38 PM lizbeth wrote ...
If you are willing to BET your life and your parents and grandparents, then vote for the bill.IF in 2 or 3yrs, you find you were wrong, WHAT WILL YOU DO?
32117899 Flag for moderationFriday, Oct 23 at 10:22 PM Hank wrote ...
yes - Obama's even for post-abortion abortion - that's not funny, that's sick- I hope we start to heal this sickness in 2010, and kick out the BO Socialist/Fascist virus in 2012
31037312 Flag for moderationThursday, Oct 22 at 8:11 AM TWP @ IBDF wrote ...
Inhumane? You mean the guy who obstructed passage of a law against leaving newborn babies to die in closets?
30948927 Flag for moderationThursday, Oct 22 at 8:01 AM IBD Fan wrote ...
He is a cold, inhumane person. It seems that there is something wrong with him mentally.
30948444 Flag for moderationThursday, Oct 22 at 7:35 AM TWP @ Hank wrote ...
The problem is, you're basing your claims on what this "Obama" guy says, and we all know he's a liar. Find a credible source and get back to us on that.
30947038 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 10:38 PM Hank wrote ...
Brian H., please play the video posted - Obama is saying if you're too old (as determined by his bureaucrats), you'll get pain pills instead of treatments to extend your life. Cal it death panels, whatever. What don't you get?
30935157 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 2:36 PM Brian H. wrote ...
No John - All I'm saying is that these people want to preserve the healthcare status quo that comes complete with "death panels" because they're scared of the "death panels" that are allegedly in the Healthcare Reform bill. It's comical. And "who or what will decide what is best for society?" Your second question? Whoever we, as a democracy, vote into office - that's who. If the Republicans have a better solution, put up a candidate who can compete and do your part to vote them into office.
30916963 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 2:07 PM TWP @ John wrote ...
Only the private sector cares about controlling costs. The government will just print more money. What, me worry?
30915132 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 1:04 PM John to Brian H. wrote ...
Are you saying that we won't have death panels with nationalized health care because we already have them with the insurance companies? Then who or what will decide what is best for society?
30911772 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 11:48 AM Anonymous wrote ...
Not dodging, Brian. The word you're looking for is "mocking".
30907199 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 11:34 AM Brian H. wrote ...
Your collective dodging of my questions and points is all the answer I need. Thanks for playing :) And I'm curious, in your little, pathetic, minority worlds - was the only historical period between 1930 - 1945? That seems to be the only time period you idiots know. Morons.
30906359 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 11:31 AM Kenny G wrote ...
Sarcasm in the previous post is intended for mature audiences who stand speechless at the under 30's of America who can't grasp the weight and relevenace of history and are thus doomed to repeat it, easily swayed by relentless leftist brainwashing by a leftist owned unionist/communist education system and too much SpongeBob, Jonas Brothers, and revisionist history. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything. (Hey, did you know Jonas Brothers is the Grandson of Dr. Joyce Brothers? DUDE!)
30906179 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 11:23 AM Kenny G to Mambo wrote ...
30's and 40's Germany! Man, that was like 65-75 YEARS ago! That's like ANCIENT HISTORY, man. Hold on...(Hand me the remote control and them snacky things...Thanks!) Anyway, you were talking about some ancient war where the huns fought the mesopotamians or something, right? What? My DAD was alive then? GET OUT! Dude, your whole history thing is WHACK! What, like you alive way back in, like, the 60s I bet! How about bringing up some RELEVANT history, like how the evil white man ruined Earth! Dude!
30905514 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 9:36 AM Turnip Truck Ted wrote ...
I agree with Brian. When we have government funded health care, everyone will get any form of drugs or medical treatment they might think they need, regardless of cost, and the whole thing will cost much less than we're paying now. No only that, but each and every one of us will get a Free Pony!
30898592 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 9:24 AM Mombo Napolitano wrote ...
Couldn't you just picture Brian H in the late 30's, early 40's in Germany. "It can't happen, it will never happen"
30897783 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 8:19 AM filthy Rich wrote ...
I can just hear Brian H shrieking at the top of his lungs. "Answer me dammit!!!" LOL!
30893702 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 8:15 AM jenni wrote ...
At the moment, it is none of my business if you smoke, drink in excess, engage in risky behavior, overeat, have unprotected sex with strangers, etc. When ALL health care is funded by tax dollars, it becomes my business. AND the business of government. The same formula will apply to quality of life and cost efficiency.
30893489 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 7:43 AM Brian H. wrote ...
No one has disputed my point! All I'm talking about is the ridiculousness of "death panel" talk and "killing granny" accusations. That's it! You know it's bulls**t but that's all you got so you're clinging on for dear life. Homicide Panels - You freaking idiot. Have you been barking like that at the insurance companies' doors when they REALLY don't pay and someone REALLY dies? Have you Jordan? Someone dispute this: Have people died at the hands of the insurance companies? Its a Simple Question!
30890132 Flag for moderationWednesday, Oct 21 at 6:12 AM TWP wrote ...
Think, Brian, think. There is a difference between "socialized HC for the elderly" and socialized HC for everyone. The former is benefits for some paid for by everybody else. That by definition can't be done for everyone; there is no "everybody else" to pay. The same argument could be made for "social security for everyone". Why don't you advocate that?
30886052 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 8:28 PM Jordan to Moron H. wrote ...
Yeah, Welfare and Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security and Food stamps and Section 8 housing and Bailouts and stimulus are working out swimmingly. All are going broke you idiot. It is unsustainable and for the time being the reason your grandparents love it is because if anyone dare tell them it is unsustainable and must be reformed they are voted out of office, get it nimrod? This whole entitlement party will implode, and with Mao BO in charge it will be sooner than later
30872867 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 8:27 PM Truther wrote ...
OK, Charlie - not the same exact quote I had in mind, but it's essentially the same thing from Obama - if you're too old (as determined by Us Bureaucrats), you get the pain killers instead of the pacemaker, etc. Thanks for posting this, Charlie. Deny this, LIBS, or tell us how it was taken out of context!
30872838 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 7:32 PM Brian H. wrote ...
Batman, Riddler, I get it, that's funny. I'll answer your question about the redetermination forms if you answer my first.
30870848 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 7:04 PM Batman wrote ...
Hey Riddler, what are CMS-20027 and CMS-20033, and why do they exist?
30869874 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 6:55 PM Brian H. wrote ...
And to go a step further - Riddle me this: If our country is so interested in offing the elderly, why wouldn't they have done it yet? Medicare IS Socialized Health-care for the elderly and I have never heard of any Medicare patient being denied coverage, being euthanized, or having to go bankrupt to stay alive - EVER! Actually, my grandparents say it's 10 times better than their old health insurance plan. Yes, that EVIL Socialized Medicine is going to kill Granny! Give me a freaking break.
30869603 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 6:54 PM TWP wrote ...
Families and individuals can give consideration to "spirit and joy of living" when we take care of ourselves and our own. "We as a society," can't and won't - you heard him say it. When "we as a society" make cost/benefit tradeoffs about extending life for you and YOUR loved ones, it will be based on the interests of "society", not on spirit and joy. Your value to "society" goes negative the day you start costing more than you pay in taxes. Don't say you didn't see it coming.
30869572 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 6:33 PM Brian H. wrote ...
Charlie and his puppets STILL beating the death panel drum. Get over it. The only death panels worth talking about are the ones that ACTUALLY EXIST ! ! And these death panels don't exist in your fabricated make believe world, but where the rest of us are at, in a place called reality. Insurance companies will actually give bonuses to employees who find a way to deny coverage for people who need it the most. This HAS happened. Your d.panel version has never and will never happen in this country.
30868758 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 6:14 PM Jordan wrote ...
Homicide Panels
30867973 Flag for moderationTuesday, Oct 20 at 5:35 PM Mary wrote ...
Death panels.
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