Here is my reply to the letter from the Interfaith Conference of Great Milwaukee... (which is reprinted below).
Dear Mr. White:
Thank you for your note in which you and the Interfaith Conference ask WTMJ to remove a controversial item from my website.
I do not intend to remove the post, the links, or the bumper sticker. They are, in my estimation, flagrant acts of free speech. That, too is part of the American tradition.
I am also frankly surprised that you so thoroughly misunderstand – and distort -- the point of Tom McMahon’s spoof.
McMahon’s bumper sticker is a parody that was intended to be provocative. Because it is provocative it was intended to spark reaction and debate and perhaps even offend some people. That does not mean that it should be censored as you suggest. It is free speech that provokes more free speech (which it did – the parody has been linked in both local and national blogs.)
At the risk of speaking for Mr. McMahon, I believe his point was that despite the smug assurance of the original “Coexist” bumper sticker, there are some things – evils -- that we cannot simply “coexist with.” These would include Communism and Nazism. You cannot coexist with Nazism, you must resist it and fight it.
Mr. McMahon believes, and I agree, that we are now engaged in a struggle with Islamic fascism. We cannot coexist with terrorists who blow up buses filled with children, cut off the heads of hostages, and slaughter innocent civilians. We need to resist and fight them.
By substituting the hammer and sickle and swastika in the original image, McMahon “raises the bar” for those who smugly seem to suggest that we have no differences, that we should just get along and sing kumbaya. You can’t sing kumbaya with Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin.
In your note, you take particular issue with Mr. McMahon’s argument that it would be easier to coexist with Muslims if some Muslims would “stop hijacking planes and blowing up buildings.” Whether he unfairly conflates all of Islam with terrorism is an issue you might wish to pursue with Mr. McMahon, but I am not going to remove his comments simply because you do not like them.
But that is not the worst.
Your statement that suggests the parody is “comparing Jews to Nazis…” is beyond absurd, bordering on obscene. Or to use your own words, “unfortunate and ignorant.” There is, of course, no such comparison real or implied in McMahon’s parody. I am from a Jewish family: the parody is not an attack on Judaism… it is a critique of those who refuse to resist evil. If you don’t get that, shame on you.
You write: “Replacing the Star of David with the swastika is distasteful. I would expect that you are aware that switching these symbols is nothing new and is a tactic used by demonstrators around the world. It is always offensive.”
No, it is only offensive when it is specifically done to equate Judaism or Zionism with Nazism. Here it was done to replace the letter “X.” Context does matter if you are indeed interested in the truth.
It would have taken you only a matter of minutes to find out that over the years I have consistently spoken out against anti-Semitism and have been a strong supporter of Israel. I’m not sure if there is anyone on this media market who has been more outspoken on either issue.
Frankly, I do not recall a single instance in which either you or the Interfaith Conference ever protested this particular tactic when it has been used by the left. Has there ever been a single instance in which your organization has objected to a left-wing protest in which the swastika was used intentionally to equate Judaism with Nazism? Please be specific.
As for your being offended: I am also frequently offended by things I read and hear. (I’m offended, for instance, by the offensive ignorance of your letter. I am also offended by the fact that with the all of this community’s problems you could not find anything more important to write about.) But I know that is the price I pay to live in a country where we have a vigorous exchange of ideas. My being offended does not give me license to demand that voices I find “offensive” be silenced, or images be removed.
Too often political correctness has been used to stifle free speech and the expression of controversial ideas; too often the media and academia have been bullied by the perpetually offended who trump up outrage over bogus charges or misunderstandings.
I’m drawing the line here. The answer is no.
Sincerely,
Charles Sykes
Tom McMahon comments here:
Groups like the Interfaith Conference and people such as those who put Coexist bumper stickers on their cars are always telling us we must engage in "meaningful dialog" with our adversaries. It just so happens that my blog has a comments feature (as does Charlie's blog) which allows such dialog to occur. As I write this, my Coexist post has had 23 comments added to it. Some people agree with me, some don't. It's pretty easy to get started adding your comments. All you need to do is to write something like this:
Hey Tom, I really think you're full of crap here.
And go ahead and add your reasons for thinking so, if you want. I don't delete comments just for disagreeing with me. But you might want to be prepared to defend your position against other commenters who will disagree with you. You can respond to their responses, and so on and on until everybody's had their say. Good old Town Hall America give-and-take. Democracy at its best. America at its best. Coexisting at its best. I'm looking forward to seeing you there
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Here is the original letter:
Dear Mr. Sykes and Mr. Schweitzer:
On behalf of the Interfaith Conference of Greater Milwaukee I write to ask you and WTMJ to remove offensive remarks and a symbol from the WTMJ website of Mr. Sykes. The symbol in question is part of the parody of an increasingly common bumper sticker that uses religious symbols to spell the word “Coexist.” In the parody, the Star of David is replaced with a swastika. Also, comments on the website, attributed by Mr. Sykes to a Tom McMahon, say that it would be easier to coexist with Muslims if some Muslims would “stop hijacking planes and blowing up buildings.”
We understand that this is a parody, but it is unfortunate and ignorant. Replacing the Star of David with the swastika is distasteful. I would expect that you are aware that switching these symbols is nothing new and is a tactic used by demonstrators around the world. It is always offensive. Again, we hope you will see fit to remove it from your website.
We are very disappointed to see the ignorant and offensive suggestion that it would be easier to coexist with Muslims if they stopped “hijacking planes and blowing up buildings.” By posting this (even if from another author), Mr. Sykes seems to be endorsing the notion that terrorism can be blamed on Islam as a faith. I am sure that Mr. Sykes is well-aware that Muslim leaders in Milwaukee and throughout the world have repeatedly condemned the terrorist attacks of September 11th and have condemned all acts of terrorism...
The Interfaith Conference firmly believes that comparing Jews to Nazis, and suggesting that true Islam promotes terrorism, are irresponsible statements born out of ignorance that we find offensive and beneath the level of discourse needed in our nation. Though we support your right to say and post on websites whatever you like, even when offensive to some, we reserve the right to point out things we find offensive and to call upon our local media to act in a more responsible manner.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Marcus White
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Marcus White
Executive Director
Interfaith Conference of Greater Milwaukee
1442 N. Farwell Ave., #200
Milwaukee, WI 53202
414-276-9050
414-276-8442 fax
www.interfaithconference.org
Thursday, Dec 13 at 4:35 PM Jim wrote ...
As a Jew I'm flabbergasted that Mr. White believes that Mr. McMahon's bumper sticker "comparing Jews to Nazis." I think that Mr. McMahon's realistic view about Jihadists is much more friendly to Jews than Mr. White's naive views that deny the evil.
Friday, Nov 23 at 10:43 AM Larry J wrote ...
Keith Schmitz. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year. THanks for the time, I'm off to buy my Christmas tree.
Thursday, Nov 22 at 10:37 PM steve wrote ...
Glad to see ICGM expressed their views and even happier that Charley expressed his.(without backing down) Now, it will be easy for supporters or objectors to make an informed decision on who is correct. The free market is alive and well.
Thursday, Nov 22 at 2:16 PM Christopher wrote ...
Their letter wasn't even challenging your right to post these things. They are simply complaining about it. Why bother pouncing on them about freedom of speech? You just end up looking pompous. Did you read their letter all the way through?
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 8:48 PM Keith Schmitz wrote ...
It's Thanksgiving, and soon on cue we will be treated to outraged conservatives baying at the moon about "holiday trees" and getting all into your face with "Merry Christmas." These just won't be suggestions as with Marcus' letter, but demands.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 5:15 PM Jacquelyn wrote ...
I'd like to ask Mr. White: What about people that may be offended by his institution and beliefs? This is why we have free speech, so he can say what he wants... I can display my Darwin fish sticker... and forget about all the religious emblems I see
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:47 PM Jesusisjustalrightwithme wrote ...
All of that said, it is pretty silly of the ICGM to get offended by a parody bumper sticker. It's almost as ridiculous as someone getting upset because someone made a promotional ad depicting "The Last Supper" painting in bondage gear.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:47 PM 3rd way wrote ...
Making a good point in 250 characters is almost as difficult as making a valid point on an 8" bumper sticker.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:45 PM 3rd way wrote ...
Danny - I said it was a fair way to read your comparison, but that does not mean the comparison is apt. This Thanksgiving I am thankful that this is the only place in the blogosphere that limits characters. It makes misreading people too easy.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:42 PM JIJAWM wrote ...
Adam, I have read the Koran. Islam is full of some violent history. Probably even a little more violent than Christianity. But that's not a very good basis for choosing beliefs. They're BOTH dangerous. Isn't that the point of McMahon's sticker?
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:31 PM David wrote ...
Great response from you Charlie and you may in fact draw that line and hold that line as you have done. I am right there on your side of this issue as so many of your listeners are too. We all must discuss these subjects and work toward change.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:06 PM Adam H. FDL kermit_389@hotmail.com wrote ...
And finally, isn't this the same religion who recently sentenced a Saudi rape victim to 200 lashes and 6 months and prison, because she was not with a male relative at the time of the attack? How is that peaceful, that my friends is Islam.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:03 PM Adam H. FDL wrote ...
Secondly, if you have ever read the Koran, which I have, as part of my training for the military, you would find several references to murdering infedels who do not believe in the true word of Islam, words from Mohammed. Jesus never called for wars.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 3:00 PM Adam H. FDL wrote ...
First of all, those of you who are currently attacking Christianity on this comments page, don't really know what you are talking about, although wars have been fought in the name of Catholicism, none have ever been fought on the basis of the Bible.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 2:34 PM Mike wrote ...
We face, individually, as a nation, and a civilization, the Islamic holy warrior and our only defense will be to capture or kill him before he does the same to us.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 1:36 PM Danny wrote ...
3rd Way, If that's a fair way to read it, why did you describe that way of reading it as "simply unbelievable?"
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 12:32 PM Jim Rowen wrote ...
I posted my response at: http://thepoliticalenvironment.blogspot.com/ reminding people that it was only recently, Charlie, that you were offended by someone's misuse of a religious symbol, so let's be consistent. And more mindful. Thanks. Jim Rowe
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 12:30 PM Correct Thinking wrote ...
Every time the great unwashed have the remotest feeling they are being targeted, they stomp their feet, cry foul, and verbally urinate all over those who have a differing view. Better get used to it, your whining will no longer be tolerated!!!!
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 12:27 PM Jim wrote ...
And Peace be with you on this holiday of Thanksgiving. May the Lord be gracious to your pitiful souls.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 12:19 PM PaulNoonan wrote ...
My bad. I misread you too, to some extent.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 12:01 PM 3rd way wrote ...
Sorry Danny I misread you. I read it the opposite way, which is a fair way to read it. The indians couldn't coexist within a more advanced society, which lead to their resistance and eventual genocide. Either way you look at it, a scary comparison
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:47 AM Danny wrote ...
Paul, I wasn't so much bashing Christianity as I was saying that it's just like everything else. The majority of Christians today might well be nice, non-genocidal people. Same goes for Muslims.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:39 AM Jesusisjustalrightwithme wrote ...
3rd Way, Danny's comment was pointing to a time when Native Americans tried to Coexist with Christians, who responded by giving them small pox, taking their land, and shooting them. In that example, the "evil" group was Christians.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:36 AM John wrote ...
Apparently reading comprehension is hard for the posters on here. Everyone should read Marcus White's last sentence. He clearly says Sykes has the right to post what he wants, but are merely asking him to remove something that is offensive.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:31 AM PaulNoonan wrote ...
3rd Way, did you intentionally misread Danny's post? Because I'm pretty sure he was bashing Christianity, not advocating Muslim genocide.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:20 AM Danny wrote ...
3rd Way No. That's pretty much the opposite of what I'm saying. My point was that some groups, like the Christians that slaughtered the Indians, can't be coexisted with.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:13 AM Mike wrote ...
How can you co-exist with some christians who invade smaller countries for their natural resources?
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:11 AM Bob wrote ...
I am offended by some things too, but there is an easy way to get around those things. I turn the channel, I look away, I move to another seat. if you want to get along, avoid the things that offend you, or learn to not be offended.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:07 AM Stu wrote ...
From "The People's Republic of Madison" "BULLY FOR YOU" Charlie. You are right on, and keep up the good work
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 11:01 AM 3rd way wrote ...
Unbelievable Danny. It is simply unbelievable that you would make that comparison. Are you suggesting Islam should face the same fate as Native Americans? Resistance to the notion of coexistance is setting a very dangerous precedent.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:58 AM Mike wrote ...
Boy, that nasty Interfaith group must have really hit a nerve. Charley is really worked up. I happen to think that the "co-exist" bumper sticker is a positive thing. Why attack it the day before Thanksgiving?
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:46 AM Susan Martzahl wrote ...
Charlie, I totally agree with you. Why is EVERYONE so touchy. The world has lost it's perspective and sense of humor. We all take EVERYTHIMG as if each issue is a matter of life and death; that we will be less of a person if we don't win a point
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:45 AM Danny wrote ...
Happy Thanksgiving. Hey, remember what happened when the Indians tried to coexist with the Christian Europeans at the first thanksgiving? It didn't end well for the Indians. What a timely topic Charlie.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:39 AM Jeni wrote ...
These free speech attacks simply have to be stopped by the left. Mr. Sykes, triple kudos for sticking to your guns! It's your right to have your say, too. This interfaith Org. should be ashamed of themselves. Happy Thanksgiving and Godspeed to all.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:39 AM dana michelle wrote ...
I'm particularly fond of this sentence: "Here it was done to replace the letter "X"." Outstanding! Game, set and match, Charlie!
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:06 AM Kay wrote ...
Freedom requires responsibility. Sure, fine, you were free to post it. But it was irresponsible of you to do so. Do you even understand the difference? Does WTMJ? The Journal Company? Apparently not. Sad for you but sadder for this city.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:03 AM Jeff Ostach wrote ...
Merry Christmas! And to our atheists friends: "Have a good day!" Yada! Yada! Yada! Now pass the gravy please, and why didn't that offensive lineman keep his man off of Favre?
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:02 AM Nicole wrote ...
The swastika replacing the letter X (not the Star of David) was so incredibly obvious that it hurts me how foolish that Marcus man must feel.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 10:00 AM Mary wrote ...
McMahon's creation is a parody of a simplistic bumper sticker! It's not the Israeli flag with a swastika replacing the Star of David, commonly seen in the Muslim world. The mock bumper sticker is a statement AGAINST evil and totalitarianism.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:41 AM PaulNoonan wrote ...
Typical Dad29. "Until you coexist with the Catholic Church, you haven't really coexisted." The irony is nice though.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:35 AM PaulNoonan wrote ...
It's also more of an endorsement of atheism than anything. I mean, all of these religions and ideologies have violently resisted coexisting at some point, right?
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:32 AM dad29 wrote ...
Even Benedict XVI made it clear that "co-existence" cannot happen so long as the Muslims fail to recognize Natural Law. And simple-minded, willful ignorance will not be helpful--no matter WHOSE letterhead promotes it.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:13 AM Al wrote ...
No Christopher. Charlie's letter was on target. Your's was a waste of time.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:13 AM PaulNoonan wrote ...
I stand by my original comment, which was not that it was offensive, just that it was stupid. And not a parody. Calling it a parody destroys the meaning of the word "parody." It is, and remains, "just another stupid bumper sticker."
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:11 AM Christopher from Freeport wrote ...
To: 3rd Way. Those who sport Coexist stickers ignore two things: the reality of Islamofascism and the real tolerance most Americans have for every peaceful religious expression. You only mised the 2nd one, so you're only half as dumb as they are.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 9:06 AM Christopher from Freeport wrote ...
Bravo Charles! Though quite articulate, your letter somehow reminds me of General McAuliffe's reply to the Germans at Bastogne: "NUTS!" Wait...will the Interfaith weenies say I'm comparing them to the Nazis? Well, I'm not, so nuts to them!
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 8:49 AM Amy wrote ...
Good for you Charlie! Free speech is for EVERYONE not just liberals!
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 8:44 AM Jesusisjustalrightwithme wrote ...
I agree. There are things about Christianity and Islam that make them difficult to coexist with, same as Naziism and Communism (perhaps not to the same degree). Coexisting is a nice idea, but if just one group doesn't agree, the idea falls apart.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 8:30 AM 3rd way wrote ...
Lumping together the billion followers of a faith with the minority of murderous radicals within that faith you have crossed the line of good taste and are entering into territory of bigotry. 200 charcters is not enuf space to rebuke such tripe.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 8:27 AM Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran wrote ...
Bravo, Charlie. Brilliantly said, as always.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 8:07 AM Brian wrote ...
Bil Whittle at Eject!Eject!Eject! has something to say about this particular bumper sticker, among others. I encourage you to visit his site and give it a read. Coexist is about half way down. http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/2006_11.html
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 7:57 AM Mary wrote ...
Marcus White should have known better than to take on an intellectual like Charlie Sykes. It's like coming to a gunfight armed with a peashooter!
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 7:55 AM Phil wrote ...
The whole point was to be controversial wasn't it? The point was to show that coexisting just to keep the perception of peace is wrong. We should be guided by truth, and just because it makes some uncomfortable doesn't make it untrue.
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 7:55 AM Christopher wrote ...
All they did was ask (not demand) you to remove it. They even state that they agree that you have the right to post it. You state that there are more important things to write about, yet your letter is 3 times longer than theirs. Waist of time!
Wednesday, Nov 21 at 6:50 AM Stephen wrote ...
The free-speech-for-me-but-not-for-thee crowd has been in full cry lately. Kudos for drawing the line!
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