Giants 38, Packers 10

McCarthy: Packers 'thoroughly beaten'

CREATED Nov 25, 2012 - UPDATED: Nov 25, 2012

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12:35 a.m.
More from the Packers twitterverse:

From Davon House:
"Lost today! Not good enough on my part."

11:31 p.m.
Packers twitterverse:

From Donald Driver
"Thanks for the love and support! Tough lose! That's why we have tomorrow. We have to let it go and get ready for the next one."

10:40 p.m.
McCarthy to Larry McCarren:

On the overall performance:
"This is a night where we were thoroughly have to look at the mirror, accountability, responsibility.  That starts with me.  We weren't fundamentally sound...mental errors."

On the fact there's still lots to accomplish:
"Everything we want to accomplish is still in front of us.  We'll bounce back."

4th Quarter

10:21 p.m.  Packers' 2nd Drive  4:53
While watching the Packers try to march 99 yards with Graham Harrell, here's something to ponder: this other historically horrific Packers performance against an NFC East contender on the road with a massively injured Green Bay team.

In other words, still hope.

3rd-1 at GB 11: Starks slams for five yards. A bunch of garbage yards before another Packers punt.  The thump signifying the Packers' demise, at least for tonight.

10:01 p.m.  Giants' 1st Drive  14:16
"It's just one game." - Wayne Larrivee.  Trying to cheer up Packers Planet.

3rd-10 at NYG 25: Cruz.  Money.  In the seam of a porous Packers zone.

House got away with pass interference on Nicks that time.  I'm looking at Woodson and Matthews on TODAY'S TMJ4, and they just silently look dejected, their play silenced by injury.

M.D. Jennings hurt.  It gets worse. 

3rd-2 at GB 34: Wilson.  Stopped by Ryan Pickett.  Tynes will make it a five-score game, unless the Giants just go for it.  Which they are.

4th-3 at GB 35: Manning.  Bennett.  Another nail in the coffin.

"I would not look forward to tomorrow's film session.  It's not gonna be pretty." - Larry McCarren

3rd-5 at GB 13: McMillan with a late hit.  Helmet to helmet.  First down.  Half distance to goal.  Fine coming.  Suspension, maybe.  Dirty.  Uncalled for.   Packers should have more class than that.  Represent your team better.

1st-goal at GB 6: House was money on Nicks.  Fade pattern = fail.

3rd-goal at GB 6: Wilson plows to the 1 yard line.  A class-filled team would kick a field goal here.  Giants go for the score.

4th-goal at GB 1: Back shoulder throw.  Nope.  But flaggage.  House called for interference initially, but the ball was tipped.  Where?  How?  By a fantastic leap.

9:58 p.m.  Packers' 1st Drive  continued from 3rd quarter
3rd-9 at NYG 18: No dice.  But it's 4th down territory.

4th-5 at NYG 14: Rodgers....tip....nope.  Reflective of the evening.  Painful. 

3rd Quarter

9:48 p.m.  Packers' 3rd Drive  3:36
"For the green and gold, this one can't end soon enough." - Wayne Larrivee

I just saw Lombardi's locker at Fordham on Sunday Night Football.  What would he say after this loss?

3rd-14 at GB 37: Rodgers.  Forever to throw.  Finley.  The kind of big play that would excite a Packers fan...if it wasn't a 28-point lead for the Giants.

Pierre-Paul and Phillips both down.  Never want to see anyone hurt.  But Packers can understand.

Rodgers find Nelson open for a first down in the red zone, but Rodgers had Cobb and Jones both wide open for touchdowns and ignored them because of his scramble right.

3rd-8 at NYG 17: 

9:34 p.m.  Giants' 2nd Drive  6:25
NY Giants 38, Green Bay 10
Manning-Nicks 13 yd TD pass

Manning to a wide open Bennett.  15 yards.  It's like every play, there's a source of dejection for Packers fans.

Manning.  Nicks.  Broken tackle.  30 yards.  Inside the 10.  The bleeding continues.  The Packers' near-corpse is gushing blood.

"I haven't seen something like this happen to the Packers in quite some time." - Wayne Larrivee.

1st-goal at GB 8: make that 1st-goal at GB 4 after illegal hands to the face.  Just sickening.

Manning.  Hicks.  Nope.  The first positive play for the Packers in what's seemingly an eternity.  This game feels like an eternity.

3rd-goal at GB 13: Manning.  Nicks.  Reaches for the TD?  Nope, according to the refs.

And the Giants are sadly right.  Because his body was rolling on House's body and the knees did not come down, his arm reached the ball over the goal line before a knee touched.

9:27 p.m.  Packers' 2nd Drive  9:41
An Alex Green run "across the line of scrimmage." - Wayne Larrivee.  Tonight, that's an accomplishment.

Great replays by NBC to show how the Giants' secondary are totally bracketing Cobb, knowing he's the big play guy.

3rd-5 at GB 14: ARod chased again...and he gets himself a sliding first down. 

Late flag way behind the play kills a great Alex Green first down run.  Pierre-Paul gets held by Crabtree...and the flag comes five years later, after Pierre-Paul did his best Lincoln Douglas debater impersonation.  Star system.  Pathetic.  But it's the way it goes tonight.

3rd-18 at GB 17: Cobb.  Drop.  Even an easy reception doesn't work.  Bad night.

Punt: Ball!  Fumble! Who got it?  Giants.  "Of course." - Wayne Larrivee.

9:20 p.m.  Giants' 1st Drive  12:40
A Randle muff and recovery.  Had it gone the other way, the Packers might be in big time business.  Nope.  Not tonight.

Cruz.  Sliding catch.  Wide open.  Williams and Jones boo-booed on the coverage.  Par for the course tonight.

I have a feeling work productivity in Wisconsin will suffer from both dejection and exhaustion after this one.

3rd-1 at GB 48: Hawk, Burnett, Moses get a rare stop.  

9:15 p.m.  Packers' 1st Drive  15:00 left in 3rd quarter
"Not the start to the 2nd half we were anticipating, or hoping for." - Larry McCarren.  He's discussing a holding call on Cobb's return.

MUST score a touchdown on this drive.  MUST.

THERE YOU GO, FINLEY!  Rodgers was struck as he threw, Blackburn tipped it, and Finley grabbed it.  The kind of good luck that makes miracles.

3rd-11 at GB 30: Rodgers pressured.  Sacked.  Kiwanuka.  Another nail in the coffin in this game.  Packers not dead yet, but barely a pulse.

2nd Quarter

8:59 p.m.  Packers' 4th Drive  :44
Rodgers.  Cobb.  Tick.  Tock.  Tick.  Tock.

Rodgers has to run for his life again.  The Giants have shown up, folks.

3rd-4 at GB 35: Kuhn.  First down.  Giants stop the clock?  You just gave the Packers a Hail Mary opportunity.

Rodgers had zero downfield.  Ball into the sideline.  Horrific half.  Pathetic.

8:55 p.m.  Giants' 3rd Drive  1:03
Randle.  Broken tackle.  The momentum is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy on the Giants' side.

Bradshaw.  Touchdown.  Worst first half of football I can remember this Packers team playing in I don't know how long.

8:51 p.m.  Packers' 3rd Drive  1:50
That much time left in the half.  Whoa do the Packers need a touchdown to give a huge shot in the arm.

Cobb.  30.  Broken tackle.  39.  Just what they need. 

Uh oh.  Fumble.  Pierre-Paul.  Yumeniora grabbed the football from the blind side.

"This is starting to look like the playoff game last January." - Wayne Larrivee

8:45 p.m.  Giants' 2nd Drive  3:37
There you go, defense!  Moses grabs the ankle of Manning after beating the left tackle who held him.  That is a fantastic rush when you can get held and still get the sack.

Brown slams past the lost yardage on that play.  "The gaping holes in the ground game against the Green Bay defense." - Wayne Larrivee

3rd-5 at NYG 32: Manning.  Bradshaw.  House houses Bradshaw in the exact open field tackle needed there, not just to stop the first down, but produce a bit of momentum.

8:27 p.m.  Packers' 2nd Drive  9:37
NY Giants 24, Packers 10
Crosby 28 yd FG

Three score deficit.  This is getting scary.  But this is not a team that can't come back.  Seen it too often.  But trends had better change.  Quick.

They didn't on the first play.  Tuck got into the backfield, and Green saw green turf behind the line of scrimmage.

3rd-10 at GB 27: Make that 3rd-5 at GB 32.  Packers need every break we can get.

Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhn!  Huge!  36 yard line after a great dump off thbrow.  (One u for every yard gained there.)

And Dietrich-Smith gave up 10 yards.  Ugh.  Holding calls.  Great teams don't kill drives that way.  Right now, particularly w/o Jennings, Matthews, Woodson - three Pro Bowlers - the Packers are not a great team.  But they still can be.

Rodgers has forever...downfield...but has to run himself.  Just no one open at all.  Giants DB's win.

3rd-12: FOREVER to throw, Rodgers can't get anyone open, so he has to dump the ball into Secaucus, NJ.  Thankfully, Nelson draws holding on Webster.  Honestly, though, Nelson gave him a swim move like Reggie used to do back in the 90's.

Delayed key pass...more based on Rodgers running for his life, but Cobb helps him out with a 12-yard catch.

Finley.  Drop.  If I had a dime for every sentence that included both those words this year, I'd retire.

There's a Finley catch, and a near first down.  And who's there to greet him at the end of the play and give him an "attaboy": Aaron Rodgers.  Leadership.

3rd-1 at NYG 11: Green.  1st down?  Barely.  At least from mine eyes.  But not from the officials' eyes.  The spot makes him short.

Crosby.  Must make.

8:20 p.m.  Giants' 1st Drive  13:35
NY Giants 24, Green Bay 7
Manning-Cruz 9 yd TD pass

3rd-9 at NYG 40: Again.  Nicks kills the Packers.  25 yard pass play deep right.  Williams went with the wrong guy, covering the shallow receiver.  Burnett was given an assignment that few DB's can complete.

Bradshaw.  Ugh.  First down run again.  Credit Bradshaw for five yards on his own. 

Red zone time.  "The Giants are continually winning the battle at the point of attack on the line." - Wayne Larrivee

3rd-6 at GB 9: Manning.  Cruz.  Blowout ensuing.

8:18 p.m.  Packers' 1st Drive  continued from 1st quarter
3rd-13 at GB 18: Cobb on one of those useless not-in-first-down-territory throws.  They essentially tried a WR screen.  Not gonna work in that siutation.

1st Quarter

8:14 p.m.  Packers' 4th Drive  :23
I'm not despondent about the Packers' performance so far.  But they'd better respond, explosively, fast.

That was not helpful.  Blackburn.  8 yard loss.  Dietrich-Smith failed.

8:09 p.m.  Giants' 4th Drive  2:29
NY Giants 17, Packers 7
Tynes 43 FG

The refs' being able to check the spot saved the Packers about 25 yards, thanks to Webster being down at the 33.

3rd-1 at GB 24: Bradshaw.  FINALLY!  The Packers' defense stuffs the Giants' run game.  Saves four points.

8:06 p.m.  Packers' 3rd Drive  2:38
Shootouts between Super Bowl contenders.  Bad for the ticker.  Fantastic for the entertainment value.  Awesome.

Webster.  Pick.  Rodgers saves the TD, for now.  VERY reminiscent of a certain Favre pick five years or so ago.

7:56 p.m.  Giants' 3rd Drive  7:15
NY Giants 14, Green Bay 7
Manning-Randle 16 yd TD pass

Now with fantastic field position (55 yards from the end zone), Bradshaw gets huge yardage off right tackle. 

"Some gaping holes in the Packers defense." - Wayne Larrivee

Flaggage in the deep secondary.  Illegal contact against A.J. Hawk, nowhere near the play. However, that type of call will come even if the ball is 50 yards away, because it has to do with who Manning can throw to.  Knock an eligible receiver down during a QB's progression, it will get called.

White may have a concussion; Lattimore may have a calf injury.  Minor guys on the roster, but special teams effects.

3rd-2 at GB 29: make that 3rd-7.  Manning called for the false start.  He faked a snap call with his arms.

Manning has forever to run.  "It opens up like the Red Sea for Moses.  The Pharoah could have gotten all of his chariots through unscathed." - Wayne Larrivee. 14 yard run.  Much like Darrell Bevell-in-the-Rose-Bowl.

The Packers' defense is getting gashed.  Keep running, and they get gashed and tired, and the Giants' defense gets rested.

3rd-5 at GB 16: We got a game on.  Big time.  Randall.  Beating House.  Badly.

7:50 p.m.  Packers' 2nd Drive  9:39
REVERSE!  12 yards by Cobb.  He's become the "got to find a way to get him the ball" receiver.  Jennings wouldn't be used this way.  Nelson wouldn't.  Cobb can.  Versatile.

3rd-3 at NYG 35: Big down.  Huge down.  Giants win that down.  Four guys rushed.  Canty got to him.  Thank the DB's for that one.

Crosby - 55 yards?  Talk about a hard way to get a guy involved early who needs confidence.  Ugh.

I don't kick that FG, even with an all-pro.  Would rather go for it on 4th-5.

7:45 p.m.  Giants' 2nd Drive  10:44
Manning is off tonight with throws to the flat.  2nd one to the fullback and, again, he was wide open, and again, he missed.

3rd-6 at NYG 21: Manning NEARLY picked by Hayward.  Droppage.  40 yards or so of field position lost in that drop.  Still, a 3-and-out.  We'll take that every time against this often explosive offense.

7:37 p.m.  Packers' 1st Drive  12:38
Green Bay 7, NY Giants 7
Rodgers-Nelson 61 yd TD pass

Great 2nd down running by a guy who didn't get too much great running last week: Alex Green.  First down yardage off right guard.  It would be great to see two guys get lathered up, both Green and Starks.

Kuuuuuuhn.  One u for every yard of his six-yard reception on a swing pass.  The more the running backs get involved, the closer in the d-backs get sucked, and a deep pass comes.

Nelson!  Exacly my point!  61 yard TD!

7:30 p.m.  Giants' 1st Drive  15:00 left in 1st quarter
NY Giants 7, Green Bay 0
Brown 1 yd TD run

The Giants start with a 28 yard kickoff return.  Two broken tackles.  Hopefully not a trend.

Nicks.  First down catch.  Very short back shoulder throw.  The kind you can't defend when done properly.  The more Manning gets those throws early, the better his rhythm, the worse off the Packers are.  Uh oh.  Nine dropped passes after that throw this year for him.  Cruz had Walden beat horribly.  Phew.

Uh oh.  Bradshaw.  Off to the races.  Really off to the races.  A screen pass turns into an almost-touchdown.  House saved six points, for now.

Walden, according to Larry McCarren's fantastic play watching eyes, was the culprit.

1st-goal at GB 1: Play action.  Manning.  Rare miss to the fullback.  Another wide open receiver.  Manning threw the thing into the Hudson River.

2nd-goal at GB 1: Brown.  Touchdown.  One linebacker's malfeasance in stopping a screen leads to a Giants touchdown.


7:24 p.m.
Aaron Rodgers' with the only 50 percent toss of the night: the coin toss. He loses that 50-50 proposition.  Somehow, I think it might be his worst throw of the night.

Giants win the toss and will receive.  Better for Green Bay to get the ball at the start of the 2nd half anyway.  Thanks, Big Blue.

6:47 p.m.
Packers Coach Mike McCarthy to Wayne Larrivee

On the rivalry with the Giants:
"It's definitely a big game when we get together."

On how the team has won five straight games despite huge injury issues:
"You've got to give credit to the players.  They step in there and take advantage of the opportunities...with that brings continuity and confidence."

On Randall Cobb's spectacular development:
"It's another excellent example of a young man who did a lot of good things as a rookie, but he's exceptional at a number of different things.  He's taken advantage of these opportunities...a great returner, a top notch slot receiver.  He makes plays when we put the ball in his hands."

On Casey Hayward becoming a key cog in the Packers' defense as a rookie:
"We made a conscious effort coming out of OTA's to make sure we got our younger players going and got them started...with that mindset, I think it's given our rookies a lot of opportunities...Casey's a hell of a football player, someone we targeted to compete for a starting position...he's done a great job."

On Greg Jennings not playing tonight:
"Greg is very close.  If this was a playoff game, he'd be out there."

6:33 p.m.
Inactives: Yes, the list includes Greg Jennings and Clay Matthews.

According to our Wayne Larrivee, Jennings worked out today in warmups, but just couldn't go tonight.

Actives: The list includes Donald Driver, John Kuhn, B.J. Raji.

Driver has a history of showing up against the Giants.  Read: big touchdowns last year, 2007 - "90 yards!  Oh my!" (called by Wayne Larrivee).

Kuhn also has such a history.   Both will be needed.


No, the Green Bay Packers and New York Giants not are battling in "Super Bowl 46.5," as games between the previous Super Bowl champions are often-monikered.  Neither team should - right now - be truly named as one of the top two teams in the NFL.

But if one of these teams wants to take the path to Super Bowl XLVII, a win tonight can become the springboard to greatness.

A loss could be a further complication, and a road even further into a seemingly huge pack of teams that can win the Lombardi Trophy.

No, it doesn't seem as if the Packers or Giants are in tremendous danger of missing January football and the chance at the ultimate prize their sport can offer.

Green Bay is solidly - right now, at least - in position to claim one of six slots to the NFC side of the Super Bowl tournament.  The Giants are even more solidly entrenched as the favorite to claim an NFC East title that the Cowboys, Eagles or Redskins don't want.

But for either team, a win tonight is a big confidence boost.

A late regular season contest between these two teams proved just to be that in the last two meetings.

In 2010, it was the Packers - a blowout win in a game Green Bay had to have in order to stay alive in the quest for the Lombardi Trophy - a prize they claimed in early February 2011.

In 2011, it was the Giants - in a loss.  Green Bay had owned the NFL with an 11-0 record, and looked to be pulverizing the league.

But the Giants showed they belonged on a Super stage in going nearly point-for-point with the Packers in a 38-35 Green Bay win, learning the script for how to beat the Packers.

They did just that a month later at Lambeau Field.

If tonight's contest is a close one, it again proves that either one of these teams still has both the pathway to a title and the understanding of the tenuousness of that path - considering how many challenges they each must face to get there.

If one team gets a blowout victory, watch out.  That's how Super Bowl runs start.  The Packers know it from happy experience which they hope to repeat.